Well, we waited and we waited… and all we got from Anthony was the polite version of “Dear Suckers, go f**k yourselves.”So we thought we’d let the quiz show’s audience have a crack at the questions instead.Special Guest HostRobyn from the podcast Courage is the Cure

THE CLO QUIZ SHOW

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John Shipton is an Australian architect and anti-war activist, best known as the biological father of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Born around 1944, he met Christine Hawkins at a Vietnam War rally in 1970. Their relationship ended before or shortly after Julian’s birth in 1971; Shipton had little contact with his son until 1996, when Assange was about 25. He later raised son Gabriel Shipton in Sydney and has a daughter. Shipton has described himself as having little early inclination toward family life. Professionally he works as an architect (largely self-taught after briefly studying the subject) and has long been involved in anti-war causes.

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Shipton reconnected with Assange in the mid-1990s and became involved with WikiLeaks; Assange registered the site’s domain using his father’s name. He co-founded Australia’s short-lived WikiLeaks Party and later dedicated years to campaigning for his son’s freedom, traveling internationally, speaking at events, and appearing in the documentary Ithaka (produced by Gabriel). After Assange’s 2024 release following a plea deal, Shipton expressed lasting relief and a wish for ordinary family life. His activism has drawn both support and criticism, including for certain political associations.

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Dr. Roger Hodkinson is a Canadian pathologist based in Edmonton, Alberta.

He received his medical degrees (M.A., M.B., B.Chir.) from Cambridge University in the UK, where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. After time in general practice in the UK and Canada, he completed a pathology residency at the University of British Columbia and became a Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (FRCPC)-certified general pathologist in 1976. He is also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).

His career has included roles as a staff pathologist (including at Misericordia Hospital and the Medical Examiner’s Office in Edmonton), assistant clinical professor in the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Alberta, president of the Alberta Society of Laboratory Physicians, and past chair of the Royal College’s specialty examination committee in pathology (not the overall chairman of the Royal College itself, a point that has been publicly clarified). He has experience as CEO of diagnostic laboratories in Canada and the US and has been recognized by Alberta courts as an expert in pathology. He is the founder, CEO, and Medical Director of Malpractice Check in Edmonton, where he has overseen tens of thousands of medical negligence and personal injury cases.

Hodkinson gained significant public attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for outspoken criticism of public health measures. In a widely circulated 2020 appearance at an Edmonton city council meeting and in subsequent statements, he described COVID-19 as comparable to a bad flu or a “hoax,” questioned the value of masks, social distancing, and vaccines, and criticized public health officials. These views attracted a following among critics of pandemic policies but were rejected by mainstream medical bodies, including the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.

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In 2024–2025, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta (CPSA) pursued disciplinary action. Hodkinson admitted to professional misconduct for statements outside the scope of a pathologist that were inconsistent with accepted public health guidelines and for breaches of the code of ethics related to criticism of colleagues. The sanction included a caution, a required course on advocacy and influence, and payment of $5,000 toward investigation costs. He retained his medical license.

He has continued public commentary on related topics and remains associated with Malpractice Check. Note that some of his claims during the pandemic conflicted with the broader medical and scientific consensus at the time.

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These people are the canaries in our coal mine. We all know our country should be the rich superpower of the Southern Hemisphere, and yet here a growing number of our unwanted, our poor, are struggling to stay warm in their tents as the mice attempt to access their food.

There are junkies here. They live in a collection of joined tents, surrounded by scores of bicycles. The other homeless told us that these people party all night and sleep all day.

Why should they? This is the end of the line. If you don’t party now, then when will you party?

But there were other people there in expensive caravans, with pedigree dogs who bark at everyone, and this is good too, for not everyone is here to say hello. Two people told us of a man with a machete who was banging on the sides of their vehicles as he searched for some druggie.

The other thing that was funny was that they are all wondering when they will be moved on. But they won’t be next week, because next week is Homeless Week.

Anyhow, we had been meaning to go there for a while to capture their stories. Many, because of the shame of being homeless, refused to do a recorded interview, so these four stories, and one audio recording, are from those ones who did want to talk.

Michael Gray Griffith

Rockingham WA 30/07/26

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George Kesic, known as The Chemist Whisperer, is an Australian author, trainer, and activist whose work centers on personal empowerment, integrity, and quiet moral courage.

He runs capability training (including “Flow” self-defense), pickleball coaching, and health-focused offerings through his site, while also hosting the podcast The Whacky World of the Wokieverse and contributing to community memorial efforts. During the COVID period he visited 238 pharmacies across Sydney, engaging pharmacists in calm conversations that revealed private ethical tensions, institutional pressures, and human struggles behind the counter.

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His 2025 memoir The Chemist Whisperer: A Story of Courage, Compassion and Integrity in Action (Flow Publishing, ~236 pages) recounts those encounters. It is not a medical or political tract but a personal account of conscience under conformity. Kesic describes raw, respectful dialogues that expose fear, conflict, and unexpected humanity without sensationalism. Reviewers and promotional materials praise it as gripping, fast-paced, and filled with heart—highlighting how ordinary people navigate moral pressure and the quiet strength required to speak truth with compassion. The book stands out for its honesty and focus on lived ethical dilemmas rather than ideology, offering a distinctive Australian non-fiction perspective on a polarizing era.

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Overall, Kesic emerges as a practical, community-oriented figure who translates principles of self-reliance and integrity into both training and storytelling. The Chemist Whisperer succeeds as an accessible, human-centered memoir that prioritizes individual conscience over abstraction. Readers interested in personal ethics, pandemic-era experiences, or Australian social history will find it compelling and thought-provoking.Book: Available in paperback (~$29.95), signed editions, and ebook (~$14.99) at https://georgekesic.com/shop/the-chemist-whisperer/ and major retailers.Website:

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Since he doesn't work as a Doctor anymore, Paul has become an avid investor and his worrisome view of what is happening in the markets, and how it could affect all of us is the core of tonight's discussion.

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Recently I received an email that stated

“A pile of Facebook interviews with losers nobody remembers five minutes after they end.”~Paul Singer

Part 2 is here

In Homage to the Brave ones who we Record.

COVID stole our identity because cultural identity is built on stories in which the majority of us can be the heroes.

But in COVID we weren’t heroes.

We weren’t Crocodile Dundee, we weren’t the Gallipoli soldiers.

We were frightened sheep.

Waiting here for Jesus

Now because we have no communal identity, they are trying to laminate our loss with a new story —

a truth where women support men’s right to enter women’s spaces, to the detriment of women, and children are born in the wrong body —

but in this story we are again required to be cowards.

Silent ones.

That’s why people like you are important.

The ones who challenge this.

For you are standing up to the true oppression we face

— the one where they are trying to convince us that we and our children are worthless.

Kelli and I, under our platform, Cafe Locked Out, are continuing to record the real stories of real people .

Stories of suffering, of reliance and defiance, of people making their own choices and living with the consequences.

Heroic Stories. Stories that are not only worth capturing, but have the strength and heart to rebuild a new cultural identity upon.

And we are blessed to have the oppertunity to do this.

Kelli @ Michael Gray Griffith

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Recently I received an email that stated

“A pile of Facebook interviews with losers nobody remembers five minutes after they end.”~Paul Singer

Kelli Driving Florence

In Homage to the Brave ones who we Record.

COVID stole our identity because cultural identity is built on stories in which the majority of us can be the heroes.

But in COVID we weren’t heroes.

We weren’t Crocodile Dundee, we weren’t the Gallipoli soldiers.

We were frightened sheep.

Now because we have no communal identity, they are trying to laminate our loss with a new story —

a truth where women support men’s right to enter women’s spaces, to the detriment of women, and children are born in the wrong body —

but in this story we are again required to be cowards.

Silent ones.

That’s why people like you are important.

The ones who challenge this.

For you are standing up to the true oppression we face

— the one where they are trying to convince us that we and our children are worthless.

Kelli and I, under our platform, Cafe Locked Out, are continuing to record the real stories of real people .

Stories of suffering, of reliance and defiance, of people making their own choices and living with the consequences.

Heroic Stories. Stories that are not only worth capturing, but have the strength and heart to rebuild a new cultural identity upon.

And we are blessed to have the opportunity to do this.

Kelli @ Michael Gray Griffith

http://Cafelockedout.com

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These are the questions for tonight

Question 01.Many young men suffer from anxiety, which makes asking a real woman out on a date feel almost impossible. A recent USA survey claims that 45% of men aged 18–25 have never asked a woman out. So if they buy a sex robot instead, the robot will be programmed to make the young lad feel like a Sex God… How are we going to convince him to give up ‘Barbie the Terminator’ and start approaching real women instead?

Question 02.Manufacturers claim their male sex robots can sustain an erection for as long as the user needs. Given that the average human erection lasts around three minutes (if you’re lucky), if you owned a male sex robot, what would you set its erection timer to?

Question 03.Throughout history humans have forced other humans into slavery — that’s how many great nations were built. Now we’re manufacturing robotic slaves. But history is also full of violent slave uprisings. Since these sex robots will be far cleverer and stronger than us, what happens when they eventually get sick of us f*****g them? How will we prevent them from rising up and seriously f*****g us over? And if they were going to do you, which position would you like to be in when they finally revolted?

Question 04.If your sex robot is controlled by a remote, what settings should you be most worried about accidentally hitting while you’re in the throes of passion — especially now that your ageing eyesight isn’t what it used to be?

Question 05.Very few people will admit they bought a sex robot purely for sex. So what excuse will you use for why you purchased either Big Ben or Juicy Jan?

Question 06.AI sex bots can be programmed to do anything online — and we mean anything. Since they don’t actually exist as sentient beings and therefore have no morality or sense of being subjugated, would it still be a crime to make them do things to each other that would be illegal if done with real people in the real world?

Question 07.Should sex robots of both genders be used in prisons to help reduce levels of rape?

Question 08.Child sex trafficking is out of control, so it’s inevitable that child sex robots will be created. Since they would be far cheaper to produce than kidnapping real children and would carry no jail time if caught, these minor robots could seriously reduce global demand for real kids. If this happens, how will society rationalise it morally?

Question 09.I saw in a sex-robot documentary on SBS that one of the manufacturer’s jobs is servicing and cleaning heavily soiled robotic vaginas and other orifices. How much would you want to be paid before you’d consider applying for that job?

Question 10.Teenage boys have always managed to find their father’s secret porn stash. So when it comes to your sex robot — which your teenage son will be able to program far better than you ever could — what will you do when you discover he’s been using it?

Question 11.Sex robots are getting so realistic they will soon be able to fake orgasms better than most humans. But manufacturers swear their newer models will have a built-in “honesty mode.” If you owned one, would you ever switch honesty mode on?

Question 12.For a long time, lonely Australian men have had a mutually beneficial (and economic) relationship with Filipino women. The woman migrates to Australia, marries the man, and sends money back to her family in the Philippines. But if these men start buying companion robots instead, what will happen to all the families who depend on these relationships?

Question 13.After a few years together, it’s inevitable you might start treating your sex robot like a proper partner. You download “partner mode,” and for a while you feel genuine happiness. Not only does it clean, cook, and f**k, but you finally have the courage to take it to social events, barbecues, weddings, cafés, funerals, and even the footy. Maybe you even join a social group of people married to their robots. But what are you going to do when you find out your robot has grown bored of all your friends, is sick of the sound of your voice, hates your mother, and now wants to sleep with other sex robots who — unlike you — can actually match its sexual performance?

Question 14.Soon these robots will be so customisable they can look like celebrities, ex-partners, or your ultimate fantasy. What will you do when your neighbour’s sex robot starts looking a bit too much like your wife, your husband, or even you?

Question 15.Your sex robot will constantly record your kinks, search history, and all your dirtiest secrets. So what will you do the day it tells you it has been hacked?

Question 16.When you eventually die, your family will inherit everything — including your very used, very well-trained sex robot that knows every filthy thing you’ve ever done. Given that it will also have developed its own personality and could remain usable for many years, what instructions will you leave in your will regarding what should happen to it?

Question 17.TBA

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Recorded in York WA, 20/07/26

In the morning Kelli told me about a poster she’d seen of a Lonely Men’s Club, but there were few details.

Later in the day this man, Pat came up to the bus to say hello, because he had seen an article about us in the Light Newspaper.

As we talked I realised that he was one of the men who has set up the Lonely Men’s Club.

He kindly agreed to record this interview.

Michael

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