In Episode 7, Eli speaks with Dr. Mike Dockry of the University of Minnesota Department of Forest Resources. Mike researches indigenous models of sustainability, which is the topic of our discussion. We also discuss the land grant university system and the increasing popularity, but insufficiency, of land acknowledgments. Music by Marshall Usinger. Links from the episode: Dockry et al. 2016. Sustainable development education, practice, and research: an indigenous model of sustainable development at the College of Menominee Nation, Keshena, WI, USA. Sustainability Science. Lee and Atone 2020. Land-grab Universities. High Country News. Atone and Lee 2020. Ask Who Paid for America’s Universities. New York Times. If you cannot see the audio controls, your browser does not support the audio element.