Gabe Baker is a former teacher and education researcher, who took the leap into immersive tech. He made Frame, a platform that makes it easy to communicate, collaborate, and create in 3D environments directly in the web browser, mobile and even VR headsets. The platform grew hosting hundreds of events and teams from Janssen, Microsoft, Trello and MIT. But recently he announced it is time for a radical change: Frame is evolving for the new AI era. In this interview, Gabe shared with me his honest feelings and tough learnings from the perspective of a real founder and gave down-to-earth answers to some very tricky questions: