You may recognize W. Kamau Bell from his multi-Emmy award-winning docuseries United Shades of America, or from his Substack Who’s With Me, or from his commercials for the ACLU. If you're a long-time ACLU supporter, you'll know Bell has worked with us for more than a decade as our artist ambassador for racial justice. We're excited to have him as our interim host for our At Liberty podcast, where he will host conversations with leaders, legal experts, artists, and storytellers dedicated to the fight for civil rights and civil liberties.

In this episode, Kamau delves into fundamental flaws with the death penalty, with Herman Lindsey, an exoneree who spent three years on death row for a crime he didn't commit, and Cassy Stubbs, director of the ACLU's Capital Punishment Project. Through Lindsey's powerful first-hand account of being wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death, and Cassy's expertise representing people on death rows across the country, they unpack why the death penalty is broken from start to finish, doesn't keep us safe, and magnifies racial discrimination. With President Biden's term coming to a close and President-elect Trump threatening to accelerate federal executions and expand the death penalty, Cassy and Kamau discuss Biden's critical chance to commute the sentences of all 40 people currently on federal death row and walk us through what we can do to help make it happen.