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We have a great time chatting with historian Greg Grandin about the end of the American Myth, collapse, America’s war against itself, Clinton and MAGA, how the USSR propped up the social welfare state both in America and Europe, toxic nationalism vs universal nationalism, individualism under capitalism vs communism, Israel…and a bunch of other things that are on our minds.

Greg is a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian at Yale. Buy his latest book: “America, América: A New History of the New World.”