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It’s officially spooky season, and we are kicking things off with a story that has just about everything: a whirlwind romance, a handsome doctor, a picture-perfect family, funeral homes, stolen body parts and a whole lot of things happening to dead people that absolutely should not have been happening.

When Barbra Reifel met Michael Mastromarino at a Manhattan tanning salon, the connection was instant. Within two years, they were married, raising two little boys and living what looked like a fairy-tale life.

But behind the successful doctor, beautiful home and seemingly perfect marriage was a secret life Barbra could never have imagined.

Grab your favorite drink, and hold on for one wicked story! 

References:

1. https://nymag.com/news/features/22326/
2. https://www.nj.com/news/2013/07/michael_mastromarino_nj_mastermind_of_body-parts_theft_ring_dies_of_cancer.html
3. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/07/09/200481947/mastermind-of-body-stealing-scheme-dies
4. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2443573/
5. https://www.brownstonelaw.com/blog/michael-mastromarino-bone-snatcher/
6. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/nyregion/michael-mastromarino-dentist-guilty-in-organ-scheme-dies-at-49.html
7. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1qbkkba/til_michael_mastromarino_aka_the_bone_snatcher/
8. https://www.momsandmysteries.com/blog/the-dentist-who-stole-1000-bodies
9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_Tissue_Services
10. https://www.brownstonelaw.com/blog/category/michael-mastromarino/, https://abc7ny.com/archive/6359492/
11. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-mastromarino-aka-the-brooklyn-bone-snatcher-dies-from-bone-cancer-report-says/
12. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25414798
13. https://www.facebook.com/InvestigationDiscovery/videos/love-honor-betray-on-id-and-discovery/971675857026835/
14. https://www.icij.org/investigations/tissue/from-the-archives-how-body-brokers-profited-from-stolen-human-tissue/
15. https://www.dentistryiq.com/practice-management/overhead-and-profitability/article/16354576/michael-mastromarino-a-former-dentist-who-illegally-sold-body-parts-to-make-millions-died
16. https://news.sky.com/story/bodysnatch-leader-michael-mastromarino-dies-10440724
17. https://www.upi.com/topic/Michael_Mastromarino/
18. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/28/internationalcrime.usa, https://abc7.com/archive/6027459/
19. https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/07/07/bone-snatcher-michael-mastromarino-dies-of-bone-cancer-as-victims-see-sad-irony/
20. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/obituaries/2013/07/10/michael-mastromarino-dentist-guilty-organ-scheme-dies/414qkgj8ZeSrl1mGZQMKYN/story.html
21. https://6abc.com/archive/6232624/
22. https://www.smh.com.au/national/addict-former-oral-surgeon-modernised-bodysnatching-20130710-2pqj0.html
23. https://www.gregmonforton.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/assets/files/PDFs/stolen-body-parts.pdf
24. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shadow-boxing/201307/death-of-a-body-snatcher
25. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/20/usa
26. https://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/personal/01/21/o.husbands.secret.lives/
27. https://www.cnn.com/videos/crime/2012/11/20/exp-ng-mastromarino-ex-wife.hln
28. https://tv.apple.com/us/episode/the-corpses-bride/umc.cmc.5svo3tannjr404tr3ikks3yrx?showId=umc.cmc.7czr84lr069csjhqhrxauygz2
29. https://clevnet.overdrive.com/media/4997074
30. https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/shows/who-barbra-mastromarino-do-details-explored-ahead-knife-heart-investigation-discovery
31. https://starcasm.net/love-honor-betray-barbara-mastromarino-found-out-her-husband-was-stealing-body-parts/
32. https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-michael-mastromarinos-wife-and-kids-now/

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Fifteen-year-old Melanie Ethier was just minutes from home when she vanished into the night. Despite extensive searches, suspicious sightings, and decades of investigation, no trace of her has ever been found. This week, Ashley examines the disappearance that has haunted a small Canadian town for nearly 30 years. Was it a case of mistaken identity? Was it wrong place, wrong time? Join us as we explore the dark side of humanity. 

If someone has information about Melanie’s disappearance they are encouraged to contact one of the following: the OPP at 1-888-310-1122; Crime Stoppers; or report info to Missingkids.ca. 

Resources

1. MissingKids.ca, Canadian Centre for Child Protection: Melanie Ethier profile. Melanie Ethier profile at MissingKids.ca
2. CBC / David Ridgen, The Next Call, Season 1: The Case of Melanie Ethier. The Next Call: Melanie Ethier series overview
3. TimminsToday / Ontario Provincial Police, "Investigation into Melanie Ethier's disappearance still ongoing," Sept. 29, 2020. Read the OPP release via TimminsToday
4. MissingKids.ca, "20 years since Melanie Ethier disappeared," 2016. 20 years since Melanie Ethier disappeared
5. Sudbury.com, "Police continue 14-year-long search for missing girl," 2010. Police continue search for Melanie Ethier
6. Sudbury.com, "$50,000 reward" reporting, 2006.Reward offered in Melanie Ethier disappearance
7. The Temiskaming Speaker, September 2025Melanie Ethier missing person case haunts mom 29 years later
8. Fort Frances Times / Temiskaming Speaker, October 2025. 29-year anniversary reporting
9. Shedding Light Podcast, Season 1.  (Apple Podcasts)
10. Wikipedia's Melanie Ethier article.  (Wikipedia)
11. Morbid Episode: The Mysterious Disappearance of Melanie Ethier; July 4, 2021 

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**CONTENT WARNING**  This episode includes discussion of domestic violence, coercive control, stalking, sexual abuse allegations, mental health, and suicide. Please take care while listening. 

When Mica Francis Miller died by suicide in April 2024, questions surrounding her marriage to pastor John-Paul Miller quickly captured national attention. But Mica’s story is about much more than the circumstances of her death. Kat and Ashley are joined by Bay Area Turning Point’s Melissa Prentice to examine Mica’s documented attempts to seek help, the allegations of stalking, surveillance, financial and spiritual abuse, and the pattern known as coercive control. They also look at the fight for Mica’s Law and ask whether our current domestic violence laws recognize abuse before it turns deadly. 

References:

1. COERCED: The Devotion & Death of Mica Francis Miller / LunaShark Media
2. LunaShark Media: Mica Miller Timeline
3. Mica’s List / Mica’s Law, Regina B. Ward LLC, June 5, 2024
4. John-Paul Miller Probate Affidavit, July 26, 2024
5. Netflix: Death of the Pastor’s Wife
6. U.S. Department of Justice: Myrtle Beach Pastor Indicted for Cyberstalking Wife Before Her Death
7. TIME: The True Story Behind Death of the Pastor’s Wife
8. People: What Happened to Mica Miller?
9. People: Mica Miller’s Husbands and Relationship History
10. WPDE: Mica Miller Timeline – What We Know
11. WPDE: Mica Miller’s Request for Protection From Harassment and Stalking
12. Oxygen: Mica Miller’s Family and the Fight for Legislative Change
13. ABC11: Attorney Urges Passage of Mica’s Law
14. WBTW: Mica’s List Behind Coercive-Control Bill
15. FITSNews: Mica’s List – Family Seeks Domestic Violence Reform
16. South Carolina Legislature: S.702 – Coercive Control / Domestic Violence
17. Women’s Law: Emotional and Psychological Abuse
18. SafeLives: Domestic Abuse and Suicide Figures
19. PMC: Intimate Partner Violence and Suicidal Behavior – Systematic Review
20. Reflect Training: How Coercive Control Impacts Mental Health and Suicide Risk
21. Laura Richards: Resources on Coercive Control, Stalking and Risk Assessment
22. Crime Analyst: Laura Richards
23. NewsNation: Mica Miller, Suzie Skinner and John-Paul Miller
24. FOX8: John-Paul Miller Case Delayed Again After Sixth Continuance
25. LunaShark Media: JP Miller and Wayne Miller Accused of Sexual Abuse Targeting Minors in Lawsuit
26. Mica Francis Miller Obituary
27. A&E: Mica Miller’s Death and John-Paul Miller Charges
28. Oxygen: Mica Miller and First Husband Jeremy Deas
29. WBTV: Criminal Charges Pending Against Pastor Featured in Netflix Documentary
30. People: Former Church Member Claims John-Paul Miller Used Wife Mica Miller for Sex
31. NewsNation: John-Paul Miller Ministry Lawsuit
32. WPDE: JP Miller, Wayne Miller and Solid Rock Ministries Lawsuit
33. NewsNation: Content Creator Says JP Miller Promised Evidence
34. WPDE: Mica Miller Family Press Conference and Estate Allegations
35. Apple Podcasts: COJ – How to Get Mica’s Law Passed

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In this week's episode, Ashley discusses the heartbreaking and infuriating disappearance of Angela Green, a 51-year-old mother in Prairie Village, Kansas. Throughout the investigation, her husband's story changes about 700 times, yet he is never named an official suspect and her case remains unsolved to this day. 

Anyone with any information about the case can either call the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS or they can contact Steve at 319-573-0657.

Resources:

1. https://www.kctv5.com/2026/03/03/private-investigator-claims-new-lead-prairie-village-moms-disappearance-police-not-yet-informed/
2. https://people.com/mom-vanished-2019-angela-green-daughter-wants-answers-11911133
3. https://www.solvethecase.org/case/2019-2/angela-green
4. https://fox4kc.com/news/recorded-phone-calls-involving-missing-prairie-village-womans-case-raise-more-questions/
5.  https://fox4kc.com/news/exclusive-daughter-of-missing-prairie-village-woman-aching-for-answers-as-disappearance-surpasses-a-year/
6. Morbid: The Unbelievable Disappearance of Angela Green
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OgoRDQkODo

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*This was recorded a few weeks ago and delayed release so if we talk about anything in a timely manner that doesn't make sense- that's why*

Tanya Kach was groomed by a security guard at her middle school when she was only 14. She was held captive for 10 years, 2 miles from her father's home. In this episode, Ashley discusses what Tanya went through during the 10 years she was held captive, her escape, and the aftermath. She discusses where everyone involved in the story is now. 

If you or someone you know has been a victim of sexual abuse, text "STRENGTH" to the Crisis Text Line at 741-741 to be connected to a certified crisis counselor.

Resources:

1.      https://medium.com/@natasha.leigh/kidnapped-tanya-kach-91ffb01080fb

2.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Tanya_Nicole_Kach

3.      https://people.com/where-is-abuse-survivor-tanya-kach-now-11902941

4.      https://abcnews.com/US/pennsylvania-woman-held-captive-10-years-finally-prom/story?id=19313626

5.      https://www.today.com/popculture/movies/tanya-kach-now-true-story-rcna155909

6.      https://youtu.be/IuHUG9JmqvQ?si=pdkmKRgKL_mBcehy

7.      https://www.wtae.com/article/tanya-kach-sued-by-father-stepmother-1/7457575

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In December 1991, 18-year-old mother Nicola Payne vanished during a six-minute walk across a foggy stretch of Coventry, England, and has never been seen again. Decades of searches, conflicting witness accounts, questionable alibis, lost evidence, DNA testing, and even a murder trial have failed to answer what happened to her. More than 30 years later, Nicola’s family is still waiting for the answer that matters most: where is Nicola? 

Grab a drink and join us for this rollercoaster of an episode as Kat does a deep dive into this 30 year-old case. 

References: 

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lyBagGEdSU
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3f5jij5KL8
3. https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/23520720.new-evidence-nicola-payne-murder-30-years/
4. https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/articles/what-happened-nicola-payne-one-uks-biggest-unsolved-cases
5. https://www.facebook.com/groups/missingpersonssupport/posts/2971929222958764/
6. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/69xyqt/the_1991_disappearance_of_teenage_mother_nicola/
7. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/g12z5z/missing_since_1991_nicola_payne/
8. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-25417081
9. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/16/two-men-cleared-of-nicola-payne-murder
10. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr3r8mmpv3o
11. https://news.sky.com/story/opinion-its-been-26-years-i-cant-die-without-finding-my-nicola-11171784
12. https://www.instagram.com/popular/nicola-payne-son-owen-now/?hl=en
13. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34515445
14. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34701954
15. https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/nicola-payne-murder-trial-brother-10252911
16. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34526680
17. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nicola-payne-murder-suspect-tried-6626824
18. https://crimeimmemorial.com/2025/11/29/nicola-payne/
19. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11998729/Nicola-Paynes-family-break-down-in-court-as-Nigel-Barwell-and-Thomas-OReilly-cleared-of-murder.html
20. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30406980/sister-disappearing-foggy-path-window-murdered/
21. https://www.thesun.ie/news/13812433/sister-disappearing-foggy-path-window-murdered/
22. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34643073
23.  https://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-11-16/timeline-the-nicola-payne-case-since-1991
24. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1396999187093926/posts/on-december-14th-1991-nicola-payne-an-18-year-old-mother-left-her-boyfriends-hom/9400669476726817/
25. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tobin
26. https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/nicola-payne-timeline-what-happened-26963939
27. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/victims-of-serial-killer-peter-tobin-248076 

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CONTENT WARNING: This episode talks about online stalkjing of a minor, 

REFERENCES:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Breck_Bednar
2. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-37218591
3. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/12/lewis-daynes-stabbed-breck-bednar-essex-sentenced-chelmsford-crown-court
4. https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/cyber/alerts/2025/violent-online-networks-target-vulnerable-and-underage-populations-across-the-united-states-and-around-the-globe?utm_source=chatgpt.com
5. https://ncmec.org/gethelpnow/cybertipline/cybertiplinedata?utm_source=chatgpt.com, https://www.ncmec.org/blog/2025/spike-in-online-crimes-against-children-a-wake-up-call?utm_source=chatgpt.com
6. https://www.stalkingawareness.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/SPARC_Stalking-Technology-Infographic.pdf, https://abcnews.com/GMA/Family/groomed-met-playing-video-games-online-parents-kids/story?id=112781154,
7. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78l92e9192o

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In this episode, Ashley discusses the disappearance of Crystal Rogers, the murder of her father Tommy, and the family that was responsible for it all. Crystal was a mother of five who had her whole life ahead of her. Let's keep her name alive by telling her story.

Resources:

1. https://www.oxygen.com/the-disappearance-of-crystal-rogers

2. https://fox56news.com/news/kentucky/11-passed-since-crystal-rogers-disappeared-from-her-bardstown-home/ (this article has some wrong dates so use caution)

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Crystal_Rogers

4. https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/crystal-rogers-1

5. https://www.courttv.com/tag/crystal-rogers/

6. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/investigations/bardstown/crystal-rogers-case-jon-snow-former-lead-detective/417-c2d7aeb1-ecd4-4e0c-932a-ad9ec9333947

7. https://spectrumnews1.com/ky/louisville/news/2025/07/16/brooks-houck-crystal-rogers-documents

8. Mini series: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8263746/

9. https://annieelise.substack.com/p/we-need-to-know-what-they-did-to

10. https://www.wdrb.com/news/crime-reports/joseph-lawson-appeals-conviction-in-crystal-rogers-case-to-kentucky-supreme-court/article_15d11ace-38ae-4c74-97c9-0f7e4b255d8f.html

11. https://www.wlky.com/article/crystal-rogers-act-law-kentucky/71930578

12. https://www.shayinformed.com/from-bardstown-to-bowling-green-my-new-podcast-covering-the-crystal-rogers-trials/

13. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/investigations/bardstown/nick-houck-court-hearing-crystal-rogers-case-sherry-ballard/417-340fb0dc-c156-46fa-8477-3d1e72d58d63

14. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1311545310565929

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This week, Kat dives into the infamous Leopold and Loeb case, the shocking 1924 murder of 14-year-old Bobby Franks that became known as the "Crime of the Century." From two extremely smart and privledged young men convinced they could commit the perfect murder to Clarence Darrow's legendary defense, this case forever changed conversations about criminal psychology, justice, and the death penalty.

Grab a drink and join us as we explore the dark side of humanity!

References: 

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb
2. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/monkeytrial-leopold-and-loeb-trial/
3. https://divinity.uchicago.edu/sightings/articles/telling-stories-leopold-and-loeb
4. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240131-leopold-and-loeb-the-grisly-crime-of-the-century-that-fascinated-hitchcock-and-others
5. https://librarycollections.law.umn.edu/darrow/trials_details.php?id=1
6. https://homicide.northwestern.edu/crimes/leopold/
7. https://famous-trials.com/leopoldandloeb/1741-home
8. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/may-21/leopold-and-loeb-gain-national-attention
9. https://www.nytimes.com/1958/03/14/archives/leopold-goes-free-pleads-for-privacy-leopold-is-freed-asks-for.html

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In this week’s episode, Ashley highlights the women whose groundbreaking work changed the way we understand victims, criminals, and forensic evidence. At the center of the episode is Ann Burgess, the forensic nurse whose research on rape trauma and violent offenders helped shape modern criminal profiling and transform the FBI’s approach to investigating serial killers. Ashley also explores the contributions of other trailblazing women in forensic science, including the creators and innovators behind the rape kit, homicide investigation training tools, advanced DNA profiling, forensic anthropology, hand-vein identification, and more. Their work helped bring science, structure, and compassion into criminal investigations, giving victims a stronger voice and investigators better tools to pursue justice.

Resources:

1.      https://www.forensicmag.com/3594-All-News/623997-New-Book-Details-Forensic-Nurse-s-Role-in-High-profile-Trials/

2.      https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/sites/bc-magazine/bc-magazine-summer-2019-issue/features/mastermind.html

3.      https://www.biography.com/movies-tv/a61488077/ann-burgess-criminology-expert

4.      https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/07/meet-the-woman-whose-research-helped-the-fbi-catch-notorious-serial-killers/

5.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Burgess

6.      https://streetsmartsafety.org/ann-burgess-criminal-profiling/

7.      https://press.hulu.com/shows/mastermind-to-think-like-a-killer/

8.      https://www.hulu.com/series/c6d221be-cfc3-49a7-8b11-159629cb8287

9.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Glessner_Lee

10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Black,_Baroness_Black_of_Strome

11.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Goddard

12. https://www.wittenberg.edu/news/03-10-20/joye-carter-79

13. https://fosterfreeman.com/women-in-forensics/

14. https://www.amazon.com/Killer-Design-Murderers-Mindhunters-Decipher/dp/0306924862

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