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CFB Talks Digital Assets episodes

  • Our Read on Inflation, Clarity's Odds of Passage & DeFi's Revenue Era

    In this CF Benchmarks live X Space, recorded August 13, 2026, Head of Research Gabe Selby is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk and Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo for a roundtable covering markets, macro, and Fed policy, with a surprise appearance from Bitwise Research Analyst Ishmael Asad.

    Chapters:00:00 – Intro & Team Welcome

    02:46 – Strategy's STRC Preferred: Racing Back to Par

    08:02 – ETH Treasury Preferreds, Issuance & the EIP That Could Lower Staking Rewards

    11:35 – July CPI: A Setup for a Fed Pause?

    16:43 – Bitcoin vs. Stocks vs. Gold: Who Wins on CPI Surprises?

    19:52 – Oil, Iran & the Fed's Reaction Function

    25:33 – 2022 Redux? Comparing Today's Labor Market to the Last Hiking Cycle

    32:38 – Jackson Hole Preview: What to Expect From Chair Warsh

    37:33 – Clarity Act: Reading the September Senate Vote

    44:47 – DeFi's Revenue Era: Hyperliquid, Aave, Uniswap & Pump.fun

    47:31 – Tokenized Equities: The Next 10x for RWAs

    51:28 – The Return of Buybacks: DeFi's Value Accrual Thesis

    54:25 – From Layer 1s to App Layer: Where Fees Actually Accrue

    57:30 – Week Ahead: Jackson Hole, Clarity & ETF Flows

    1 hr 2 min
  • Signs of a Bitcoin Bottom, Vault Adoption & The Fed's September Meeting

    Has Bitcoin bottomed and what could determine its next move?

    Recorded live on August 6, 2026, this episode of CF Benchmarks X Space examines Bitcoin’s performance relative to gold and the Nasdaq, the growing adoption of on-chain asset-management vaults, and the outlook for the Federal Reserve’s September meeting.

    CF Benchmarks Head of Research Gabe Selby, CFA, is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk; Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CFA; CF Benchmarks Senior Product Manager James Flamant; Head of Business Development Peter Stern; and special guest André Dragosch, PhD, Director and Head of Research for Europe at Bitwise.

    The panel begins with Bitcoin near $64,000, Brent crude below $80 and a softer-than-expected ADP employment report. They assess whether Bitcoin has formed a bottom, what market breadth and return dispersion suggest about the broader cycle, and which indicators they are watching next.

    The conversation then turns to on-chain asset-management vaults: how they work, where they sit on the adoption curve, and why curation, valuation and round-the-clock creation and redemption introduce risks that investors must understand. The episode closes with a discussion of oracle reliability, the safeguards needed for on-chain derivatives, and whether a September rate hike is now off the table.

    Chapters:

    01:38 – Meet André Dragosch: Bitwise Europe's Research Chief

    06:45 – Market Snapshot: Bitcoin at $64K, Brent Below $80 & a Soft ADP Print

    08:34 – Has Bitcoin Bottomed? The Relative-Value Case vs Gold & the Nasdaq

    13:32 – CFB's Market Cycle Engine: Market Breadth, Return Dispersion & a Still-Bearish Structure

    17:41 – What Thomas Perfumo is Watching

    23:00 – James Shares What's on His Watchlist

    24:06 – A View From Sales: The Summer Lull & the Wealth-Platform Unlock

    25:12 – On-Chain Asset Management: What a Vault Actually Is

    28:26 – Curation, Valuation & 24/7 Create-Redeem: The Index Provider's View

    34:58 – Where Vaults Sit on the Adoption Curve

    44:01 – Oracle Robustness: The Weakest Link in On-Chain Derivatives

    52:15 – Rapid Fire: Is a September Rate Hike Dead?

    59:24 – Week Ahead: NFP, CPI, ETP Flows & CLARITY's Last Gasp

    1:07:27 – Closing Remarks

    1 hr 8 min
  • Post-FOMC Debrief, Treasury Companies Under Pressure & CLARITY Stalls Again

    In the latest CF Benchmarks live X Space, recorded July 30 2026, Head of Research Gabe Selby, CFA is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk, Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CFA, and special guest Tyler Evans, Co-Founder and Chief Investment Officer of UTXO Management.

    Tyler is a career Bitcoiner. He co-founded BTC Inc, the publisher behind Bitcoin Magazine and The Bitcoin Conference, before launching UTXO Management, a Bitcoin-native asset manager focused on asymmetric opportunities across public and private markets.

    The Fed held for a fifth consecutive meeting with three regional presidents dissenting in favor of a hike, the most unified dissent since 2016. The 30 year yield closed at its highest level since 2007. Q2 GDP came in at 1.5% against expectations near 2.1%. Strategy raised another $544 million of common equity without buying a single Bitcoin. And with the Senate's August recess days away, the CLARITY Act remains stuck behind an unresolved ethics provision. The panel works through what all of it means for Bitcoin, treasury companies, and the broader crypto market.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Intro & Team Welcome

    04:02 – Grading Warsh's Second Press Conference

    08:14 – Three Inflation Shocks & the Case for a Hold Through Year-End

    12:52 – The Yen at 40-Year Lows & the Carry Trade Read-Across

    14:24 – Is the Fed Losing Control of the Long End?

    16:22 – Yield Curve Control: Playing Against the House

    20:47 – GDP Misses at 1.5%: Soft Headline, Firmer Internals

    23:08 – Best Case, Worst Case: Oil, Tariffs & the AI Capex Wobble

    26:07 – The K-Shaped Economy & Why the US Is Insulated

    28:42 – Dissent Contagion & Volatility Sequencing Across Assets

    31:25 – Saylor on Defense: Cash Reserve, Dilution & STRC Buybacks

    34:56 – Rebuilding mNAV: Aligning Equity Accretion With Bitcoin Per Share

    37:32 – Stretch at $89: Betting Against Strategy Means Shorting Bitcoin

    41:15 – Digital Asset Treasuries: Throwing Out the Baby With the Bathwater?

    46:00 – Supply Concentration: Bitcoin vs ETH & Hyperliquid Treasuries

    48:54 – Volatility Harvesting & the Coiled Bitcoin Spring

    54:21 – CLARITY at the One Yard Line: UTXO's Bearish Base Case

    56:58 – Week Ahead: Jobs, ECI, Strategy Earnings & the CLARITY Act

    1 hr 2 min
  • Cross-Asset Volatility at the Lows, the AI CapEx Reckoning & the Latest Text For CLARITY

    Could oil be the catalyst that wakes cross-asset volatility?

    In this CF Benchmarks X Space, recorded on July 23, 2026, CF Benchmarks Head of Research Gabe Selby, CFA (@gxselby), is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilkoczuck; Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CFA (@ThomasPerfumo); CF Benchmarks Head of Business Development Peter Stern (@sternpeter9); and special guest Craig Shapiro (@ces921), Senior Macro Strategist at NinjaTrader and author of The Aletheia Narrative.

    The conversation captures markets at a genuine inflection point. With July options expiry behind us and dealer positioning near cyclical lows, the cross-asset volatility suppressed throughout the year may finally be reawakening.

    Craig explains his “coiled spring” framework for record-low implied correlations and traces the potential sequence of a volatility shock—from oil to rates, credit and, ultimately, equities. The group also examines why the hyperscalers’ AI capital-expenditure boom is increasingly relying on external financing rather than free cash flow—and whether that shift is beginning to strain some of the world’s most profitable companies.

    The discussion then turns to the CLARITY Act, including the Senate draft’s ethics provision and the compressed timeline ahead of the August recess, leaving its prospects for passage close to a coin flip.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction and Team Welcome

    01:55 – Meet Craig Shapiro: Two Decades on the Buy Side

    04:14 – Market Snapshot: Bitcoin, Oil and Rates

    05:49 – Implied Correlations and the “Cold Spring” Effect

    12:15 – Semiconductors vs. Software: Where the Dispersion Lies

    15:38 – Hyperscalers Turn Cash-Flow Negative

    21:21 – AI CapEx: Payback, Funding and the Shift From Debt to Equity

    29:52 – The Yen Carry Trade and Dollar-Yen at 40-Year Highs

    35:45 – Oil, Inflation and the July CPI

    38:43 – Crude’s Backwardation and the 2027 Supply Glut

    39:59 – Can the Fed Ignore Oil? Warsh’s Next Move and the Balance Sheet

    46:50 – The CLARITY Act: Inside the Senate Draft and Its Ethics Provision

    56:12 – The Week Ahead: What We’re Watching

    Listen to the original X Space: https://x.com/i/spaces/1vKpPPAqaVmKE

    Follow the speakers and organizations on X:

    CF Benchmarks — @CFBenchmarks https://x.com/CFBenchmarks

    Gabe Selby, CFA — @gxselby https://x.com/gxselby

    Thomas Perfumo, CFA — @ThomasPerfumo https://x.com/ThomasPerfumo

    Peter Stern — @sternpeter9 https://x.com/sternpeter9

    Craig Shapiro — @ces921 https://x.com/ces921

    Kraken — @krakenfx https://x.com/krakenfx

    NinjaTrader — @NinjaTrader https://x.com/NinjaTrader

    1 hr 2 min
  • Cooling Inflation, Q2 Earnings & Strategy's Balance Sheet

    In this week's CFB Talks Digital Assets live X Space, Head of Research Gabe Selby, CFA is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk and Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CFA, with Blue Coin Capital Founder and CIO Mike Treidl, CFA joining for the second half.

    A cooler-than-expected June CPI print, a widening reality check on corporate AI budgets, and Strategy's evolving balance-sheet playbook frame a wide-ranging session across macro, markets, and digital asset structure. The team works through the disinflation signal against a still-unresolved energy backdrop, debates whether the AI capital expenditure cycle is approaching a return-on-investment reckoning, and closes with a detailed look at how Strategy is managing its capital stack in a compressed NAV environment.

    Chapters: 0:00 – Intro & Team Welcome

    2:39 – June Retail Sales: A Softening Consumer?

    5:02 – Cooling Inflation & the Rates Market Setup

    8:53 – Oil, Energy & the Inflation Impulse

    12:41 – A Bifurcated Oil World: Diesel, Refiners & Inventory Risk

    17:17 – Fed Speak: Waller's Hawkish Turn

    20:00 – Warsh's Fed: Agenda-Setting & Constructive Ambiguity

    26:49 – Q2 Earnings: Financials Surprise to The Upside

    28:58 – Hyperscaler CapEx & the AI ROI Question

    32:53 – The AI Spending Reality Check

    38:18 – AI's Moat Problem: Low Switching Costs

    43:03 – Guest Mike Treidl Joins: AI Moats & Walled Gardens

    45:30 – Strategy's New Playbook: ATM Raises Over Bitcoin Sales

    48:33 – The USD Reserve Debate: The Right Use of Cash?

    59:38 – Week Ahead: FOMC, the Clarity Act & Fund Flows

    1:01:57 – Closing Remarks

    1 hr 3 min
  • xStocks’ Val Gui: Why Tokenized Equities Are Changing Markets Faster Than Most Investors Realize

    In this week’s CF Benchmarks Live X Space, Head of Research Gabe Selby is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk, Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CF Benchmarks Head of Sales Peter Stern, Christian Isaac from the CF Benchmarks product team, and Val Gui, General Manager of xStocks. Together they discuss the latest macro developments, crypto markets, Bitcoin, tokenized equities, and how digital assets are reshaping market structure.

    The conversation begins with reaction to June’s payrolls report before unpacking CF Benchmarks’ latest Monthly Market Recap, including the broad-based decline across the CF Broad Cap Index and the factor dynamics driving performance across value, growth, and size. The discussion then turns to tokenization, with Val Gui explaining how xStocks is extending price discovery into weekends and after-hours trading, Peter Stern discussing institutional demand for tokenized equities, and the panel debating how private-market access and accredited investor rules may evolve. The episode concludes with a look at MicroStrategy’s updated capital strategy, its implications for Bitcoin investors, and the key events to watch in the week ahead, including the Clarity Act, FOMC minutes, and SK Hynix’s U.S. ADR debut.

    Chapters

    00:00 – Intro & Team Welcome

    02:30 – Welcoming xStocks' Val Gui

    06:11 – June Wrap: Broad Cap Down as Every Sector Bleeds

    08:49 – Q2 Factor Breakdown

    11:08 – 2021 vs. 2022: Is This Crypto Equity Divergence Deja Vu?

    16:42 – Bitcoin's Maturation: ETFs, MicroStrategy and a Bigger Asset Class

    19:05 – Institutions Dip a Toe Into Tokenized Equities

    25:49 – Inside xStocks' Weekend Price Discovery Data

    32:21 – The Platform Play: What Sets xStocks Apart from Competitors

    38:20 – Pre-IPO Perpetuals: Pricing OpenAI and Anthropic Before They List

    49:42 – The IPO Decision Tree Is Being Rewritten

    51:53 – MicroStrategy's Capital Plan: Buying Time, Not Just Bitcoin

    56:25 – Week Ahead: Clarity Act, FOMC Minutes and SK Hynix's ADR Debut 59:12 – Closing Remarks

    1 hr 1 min
  • The Reflexivity Problem: MSTR Stress, ETF Outflows & Why the Bull Case Still Holds

    In the latest CF Benchmarks live X Space, recorded June 25, 2026, Head of Research Gabe Selby is joined by a deep bench from across CF Benchmarks and Kraken: CEO Sui Chung, Head of Sales Peter Stern, Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk, and Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo. The team is joined by special guest James Seyffart, Senior ETF Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence, with a drop-in from Bitwise Head of Research Ryan Rasmussen.

    With Bitcoin more than 50% off its all-time high, the panel takes on the question that's all over the headlines: is Strategy breaking the Bitcoin market? The conversation works through Strategy's preferred-share stress, its cash runway, an ETF holder base now underwater for the first time this cycle, the capital rotation into AI and the DRAM trade, and a hotter-than-expected May PCE print, before closing on what they're watching in the coming weeks.

    Chapters: 00:00 – Intro & Welcome

    03:58 – Is Strategy the Single Biggest Driver of Bitcoin?

    06:36 – Dividend Cut or Sell Bitcoin? Pricing the Digital Credit Premium

    10:57 – Reflexivity vs Past Cycles: The DAT & ETF Twin Poles

    17:16 – ETF Holders Underwater followed by $10B in Outflows

    18:30 – What Institutions Are Actually Saying During the Drawdown

    23:35 – The Long-Term Bull Case for Crypto

    27:36 – Tokenized Equities Overtake Memecoins on Solana

    29:00 – The XRP ETF Demand

    31:45 – Tracking the 13Fs: Who Currently Owns These ETFs?

    33:28 – How Big a Deal Is a Billion-Dollar ETF Launch?

    35:38 – Why Index Funds Win Over the Long Term

    41:23 – The Elephant in the Room: AI & the DRAM ETF Story

    47:44 – Making the Bull Case: Real Incomes & Peak Inflation

    50:47 – The Week Ahead: What We're Watching

    55 min
  • Warsh's Fed Debut, Bitcoin Covered-Call Strategies & Stretch's Dislocation

    Recorded June 18, 2026.

    In the latest CF Benchmarks live X Space, Head of Research Gabe Selby is joined by Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CF Benchmarks Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk, and CF Benchmarks Head of Business Development Peter Stern, with CEO Sui Chung calling in from London. The team also welcomes a special guest: David Lawant, Head of Research at Anchorage Digital and previously head of research at FalconX.

    The panel grades Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting, unpacks the mechanics of synthetic Bitcoin yield from David's new whitepaper on covered call strategies, examines the arrival of covered-call ETFs, and works through the price movements in Strategy's STRETCH preferred.

    Chapters: 00:00 – Intro, Compliance Note & Team Welcome

    03:32 – The FOMC Recap: Rates Held, the Statement Slashed, a Dot Goes Missing

    05:46 – Grading Warsh's Debut: The Panel's Report Card

    15:17 – Killing the Dot Plot? The Forward Guidance Debate

    18:45 – The "Fed Put" & Market Reflexivity

    24:11 – Hawkish on Rates or the Balance Sheet?

    30:38 – Synthetic Bitcoin Yield: Inside David's latest research piece

    34:43 – Bitcoin's Volatility Risk Premium & a Call-Heavy Options Market

    37:00 – Covered-Call ETFs Arrive: BlackRock's BITA & Advisor Appetite

    42:53 – Muted Basis & Funding: Why Yield-Seekers Turn to Options

    44:51 – STRETCH Under Stress: Strategy's Preferred Slips Below Par

    47:05 – Reading the Spread: STRETCH vs Peer Yield Products

    50:20 – Strategy's Mechanics: USD Reserve, Convert Buyback & the Dividend Standoff

    53:28 – The Fast Round: What We're Watching Over the Next Week

    1 hr 2 min
  • Inflation Prints, Hyperliquid's Rise & the SpaceX IPO

    In the latest CF Benchmarks live X Space, recorded June 11, 2026, Head of Research Gabe Selby, CFA is joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk, Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CFA, and CF Benchmarks CEO Sui Chung, with special guest Ishmael Asad, Research Analyst at Bitwise, for a wide-ranging roundtable across macro, markets, and crypto fundamentals.

    With long-end yields at multi-year highs, a hot CPI and PPI print, and a new Fed chair stepping in the panel works through the following question: when do a string of "one-off" shocks cement into a structural regime? From there the conversation turns to where capital is actually flowing, contrasting a discounted crypto market, Hyperliquid's fundamentals-driven ascent and entry into the CF Large Cap, and a record-breaking SpaceX IPO drawing in a wave of retail demand.

    Chapters: 00:00 – Intro, Team Welcome & Guest Introduction

    02:06 – The Macro Setup: Multi-Year-High Yields, Hot CPI & PPI

    04:27 – A 1970s Redux? Oil, Iran & the Incoming Warsh Fed

    06:50 – How Long Can "One-Off" Inflation Shocks Continue?

    09:11 – Hot Labor Data, Rate-Hike Odds & a Global Liquidity Squeeze

    14:08 – A View From London: Political Shocks & Stagflation Risk

    17:10 – When Good News Is Bad News: Labor Market Cracks & Capital Rotation

    19:58 – Spotlight on Hyperliquid: Inside CFB's New Valuation Framework

    21:25 – HYPE's Economics: ~$1B Revenue, an 83% Margin & a 61x TTM Multiple

    24:20 – Why a Scalable 24/7 Model Commands a Premium

    26:13 – HYPE's Institutional Bid: ETF Flows & the Coinbase Deal

    28:38 – HYPE Joins the CF Large Cap at Number Five

    32:29 – Index Inclusion Explained: Why SpaceX Can't Join the S&P 500 Yet

    37:14 – The Bear Case: Token Unlocks & Supply Overhang

    39:55 – Hyperliquid's Competition & the Perps Landscape

    44:33 – The SpaceX IPO: What Are Investors Looking At?

    47:54 – Orbital AI: The Interstellar Data Center Narrative

    49:40 – Elon's Playbook: Narrative, Multiples & "Populist Liquidity"

    53:16 – Rapid Fire: The Week Ahead

    1 hr
  • Rate-Hike Fears, AI's Pull on Miners & Crypto's Capitulation

    This episode was recorded live via X Spaces - audio quality varies in places.

    Recorded June 4, 2026, the latest CF Benchmarks live X Space finds Head of Research Gabe Selby, CFA joined by Research Analyst Mark Pilipczuk, Kraken Chief Economist Thomas Perfumo, CFA, and CF Benchmarks Product Manager Jen Wang, with special guest John Todaro, Managing Director of crypto and AI/HPC equity research at Needham.

    With Bitcoin near $63,500 after thirteen straight days of ETF outflows, the panel works through what a tightening capital markets backdrop, renewed rate-hike risk, and an unresolved US-Iran oil shock mean for digital assets. The conversation turns to why public Bitcoin miners are racing to become AI infrastructure landlords, how MicroStrategy and the new wave of treasury companies are faring under pressure, and where genuine fundamentals are still separating the winners from the noise.

    00:00 – Intro & Team Welcome 01:09 – Meet the Guest: Needham's John Todaro

    02:48 – Data Check: Bitcoin Near $63.5K as the BVX Spikes

    04:23 – Are Fed Rate Hikes Back on the Table?

    06:50 – Looking Through the Oil Shock: The Hormuz Premium

    08:25 – How Rates Hit Crypto Equities vs. AI Infrastructure

    11:37 – Is Bitcoin Mining a Dying Business?

    14:11 – Supply Constraints: GPUs, IREN–Nvidia & the Power Bottleneck

    18:10 – Public vs. Private Miners: The Great HPC Bifurcation

    22:47 – MicroStrategy's First BTC Sale Since 2022 & the Capital Markets Squeeze

    27:39 – Why Institutions Want Operating Cash Flows, Not Just Treasuries

    30:36 – BitMine's 9.5% Preferred: Does Staking Yield Change the DAT Math?

    33:14 – Crypto's Strangest Chart: Hyperliquid, Its ETF & "Fundamentals Not Vibes"

    36:29 – The Echo Chamber: Is This Really Capitulation?

    38:27 – Bitcoin's Technical Setup & the $59–60K Demand Zone

    41:19 – HYPE Joins the CF Capitalization Series (Jen Wang)

    42:58 – Reading the Vol Surface: Where the Protection Bid Sits

    44:48 – CME BVX Futures Go Live: A Hedging Playbook & the ETN Pipeline

    49:58 – Week Ahead: Clarity Act, ERCOT, FOMC & Friday Payrolls

    56:16 – Closing Remarks

    The information contained within is for educational and informational purposes ONLY. It is not intended nor should it be considered an invitation or inducement to buy or sell any of the underlying instruments cited including but not limited to cryptoassets, financial instruments or any instruments that reference any index provided by CF Benchmarks Ltd. This communication is not intended to persuade or incite you to buy or sell security or securities noted within. Any commentary provided is the opinion of the author and should not be considered a personalised recommendation. Please contact your financial adviser or professional before making an investment decision.

    Note: Some of the underlying instruments cited within this material may be restricted to certain customer categories in certain jurisdictions.

    56 min

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