Change Order Podcast

Dan Mishin is the Founder and CEO of Manifest OS, an AI-native legal infrastructure platform helping lawyers double their income by eliminating non-legal work. Before Manifest, he founded June Homes and learned hard lessons about business fundamentals.

Dan and Jason discuss why lawyers spend two-thirds of their time doing non-legal work, and how Manifest uses AI to handle everything from business development to case prioritization.

They also cover the psychology of restarting after failure, why hustling doesn't matter if your fundamentals are wrong, and how having no options can be liberating.

Find more like this on Change Order.

Dan Mishin is the Founder and CEO of Manifest OS, an AI-native legal infrastructure platform helping lawyers double their income by eliminating non-legal work. Before Manifest, he founded June Homes and learned hard lessons about business fundamentals.

Dan and Jason discuss why lawyers spend two-thirds of their time doing non-legal work, and how Manifest uses AI to handle everything from business development to case prioritization.

They also cover the psychology of restarting after failure, why hustling doesn't matter if your fundamentals are wrong, and how having no options can be liberating.

Find more like this on Change Order.

Connect with us here:

Dan Mishin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmishin/

Jason Shuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

00:00 Introduction

02:30 From Crimea to Berlin: The Origin of a Business Idea

09:45 Building a Hostel Empire Across 13 Countries

21:30 Exiting a Business and the Decision to Start Over

29:00 Arriving in America: The First Call That Changed Everything

38:00 Why He Refused to Build Another Legal Software Company

47:30 Inside Manifest OS: Reimagining How Legal Work Gets Done

57:00 Global Expansion and the Future of Legal Services

AI is changing what it means to be good at your job.

Dan Shipper, co-founder and CEO of Every, shares how he went from productivity writer to leading an AI-native company running six apps with a lean team, without being a full-time engineer.

In this episode with Jason Shuman, Dan gets into:

- how shipping work now looks more like directing - systems than writing code

- why managing AI feels like running a company

- how compound systems prevent the same mistakes from happening again

- why allocation is becoming the most important skill heading into 2026

This episode offers a clear look at how founders and operators are adapting as AI reshapes how work gets done.

Connect with us here:

Dan Shipper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danshipper/

Jason Shuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

Every Inc: https://www.linkedin.com/company/everyinc/

Change Order: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

When’s the last time you had a good customer experience?

Alex Levin, Co-founder and CEO of Regal AI, is building AI Phone Agents that handle millions of customer calls for a small fraction of the cost, and drive higher customer satisfaction. 

In this episode with Jason Shuman, Levin gets into:

• why companies moved away from phone calls despite customer demand.

• how legacy vendors decided voice wasn’t worth improving.

• why AI voice is now cheaper and more consistent than humans.

• what slows big companies from adopting voice AI.

• how AI handles the tier-1 work while humans focus on harder problems.

Connect with us here:

1. Alex Levin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexlevin1

2. Jason Shuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners: https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

What if the future of law isn’t about replacing lawyers, but supercharging them?

Ryan Daniels, Co-founder and CEO of Crosby, is building the world’s first AI-powered law firm that blends human judgment with machine speed to handle contracts in hours, not days.

In this episode with Jason Shuman, he discusses:

• why the $1T legal industry is finally ready for automation.

• how Crosby became an AI-first law firm that works through Slack.

• what he learned from India’s legal outsourcing boom.

• why speed is the real edge in legal tech.

• how AI and human lawyers now work side by side.

Connect with us here:

1. Ryan Daniels- https://www.linkedin.com/in/crosbyryan/

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

The pace of innovation has never been faster or harder to follow.

Mario Gabriele, founder of The Generalist, a newsletter and community helping over 150K readers make sense of what matters in tech, AI, and venture, joins Jason Shuman to share how deep research and storytelling help him decode the forces shaping what’s next.

They get into:

• the mental models behind The Generalist’s most-read stories

• why 95% of early stage investing comes down to the founder

• how writing builds sharper intuition than data ever could

Connect with us here:

1. Mario Gabriele- https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariogabriele/

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

00:00 Trailer

01:06 The Generalist: From Concept to Execution

04:12 Writing Process and Research Techniques

13:04 Navigating the Media Landscape and Investment Insights

35:51 Challenges in Seed Stage Investing

36:47 Evaluating Founders: Insights from Hummingbird

45:11 Market Dynamics and AI Bubble

59:00 Lessons from the Generalist's Journey

With emergency response times under three minutes, the future of public safety is airborne.

Rahul Sidhu, co-founder and CEO of Aerodome, joins Jason Shuman on Change Order to share how he and his team are deploying drones as ‘first responders’, combining automation and aviation to transform how cities handle critical events.

Together, they explore:

• how a pandemic-induced staffing crisis gave rise to a new model of air support

• why policing is entering its “guy in the chair” era

• what DJI taught the world about market capture and policy

Connect with us here:

1. Rahul Sidhu- https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahulsidhu/

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

What if AI’s most transformative impact starts where we least expect it, in a classroom?

Adeel Khan, former principal and CEO of MagicSchool, turned this insight into an AI platform helping over 6 million educators reduce burnout and elevate teaching.

On Change Order, with Jason Shuman, he shares:

• the role of teachers in guiding AI to personalize learning for each student.

• how MagicSchool became one of the few AI tools approved by multiple districts.

• the importance of trust when scaling AI in sensitive environments like schools.

• how MagicSchool addresses the unique workload of special education teachers.

Connect with us here:

1. Adeel Khan- https://www.linkedin.com/in/adeelkh/

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

What if government spending was as searchable as the web?

Justin Wenig, founder & CEO of Starbridge, joins Jason to unpack how his team uses AI and FOIA at scale to make public spending transparent and actionable for both vendors and agencies.

In this episode of Change Order, they get into:

• how FOIA becomes a go-to-market superpower (and how to operationalize it)

• building the largest purchase/contract graph in gov

• why “use it or lose it” budgets entrench waste

• the sales headcount trap in vertical SaaS

• fundraising without “ninja tricks”

Connect with us here:

1. Justin Starbridge- https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinwenig

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/ 

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/  

First-party fraud costs businesses over $100 billion a year, often because finance teams rely on outdated systems.

Enter Casap, an AI-driven platform that reduces fraud losses and simplifies dispute resolution.

On Change Order, Shanthi Shanmugam, CEO and co-founder, shares how her experience in product and customer care at Robinhood inspired the creation of Casap.

She also discusses with Jason Shuman:

• why every dispute is a test of trust

• how AI and humans collaborate to resolve disputes in minutes

• what it takes to turn regulatory rules into a competitive advantage

Connect with us here:

1. Shanthi Shanmugam- https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanthi-shanmugam-4057284a/

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

From sleeping in auto shops to raising $33M.

Adi Bathla’s founder story is one of grit, timing, and a relentless pursuit of repeatability. Now, as CEO of Revv, he’s digitizing one of the most offline industries in America.

He joins Jason Shuman to share:

• the moment he knew Revv had product-market fit

• why burning the boats was the only way forward

• lessons from jet.com, Misfits Market, and Walmart that shaped him

• the founder mindset shift from doing everything → scaling through people

• why unlearning intensity is the hardest part of scaling

Connect with us here:

1. Adi Bathla- https://www.linkedin.com/in/adibathla/

2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/

3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

(00:00) Introduction

(01:09) What is Revv

(03:07) Why Now: Regulation + Tech

(04:14) Metal + Software Repairs

(07:10) Before vs. After Revv

(10:15) Co-pilot for Every Role

(12:18) AI & Feedback Loops

(29:08) No Plan B: Founding Rev

(39:42) Repeatable Pitch, 80% Close

(48:19) Platform vs. Incumbents

(1:00:29) Revenue-Tied Pricing

(1:24:38) DOT: Proof of Calibration