Indigenous Australians are grossly overrepresented in the criminal justice system.

A closing the gap target to reduce incarceration rates of First Nations people by at least 15 per cent is currently not on track to be met by 20-31.

That reality is not lost on the judicial system — where powerful voices have been trying to drive change.

Supreme Court Justice Dina Yehia is founder of the Walama court list in New South Wales, and one of the architects of the Bugmy Bar Book — a critical tool now cited in many court and tribunal decisions.

Guest: Supreme Court Justice Dina Yehia