A warning this conversation includes issues of mental health and trauma.

Wildlife workers are some of the heroes of natural disasters, sweeping in to save and care for animals that can't help themselves.

Frances Carleton, a snake catcher and wildlife carer, knew the relentless, exhausting and often traumatic work first hand.

During the Black Summer of 2020, she launched Wildtalk, a free 24/7 phone counselling service, which now takes 1500 calls for help a year.

Guest: Frances Carleton, Wildtalk founder