On this episode, Cathleen McCabe, MD, and Laura Enyedi, MD, chat with guest Cynthia Pong, JD, about combating burnout, changing up careers, ‘career insurance’ and how to negotiate your contract successfully.

• Intro 0:03 
• Cynthia Pong, JD 0:36
• What was the pivotal moment in your career and how did you make that happen? 2:52
• The hosts and guest talk about physician burnout. 5:52
• How do you make the change when you experience burnout? 6:44
• How do you stay attune to the voice in your head? How do you take steps to move into alignment with that voice? 10:55
• The hosts and guest discuss the golden hours. 11:33
• Don’t Stay in Your Lane by Cynthia Pong, JD 10:46
• How can leaders recognize someone else’s struggle and approach burnout in discussion? 15:39
• The hosts and guest discuss support. 19:07
• The hosts and guest discuss ‘naming’. 20:06
• How do we better negotiate to minimize the pay gap? 21:11
• Negotiation calculator 23:49
• The hosts and guest discuss men championing women. 25:18
• What is “career insurance”? 26:45
• The hosts and guest discuss the different aspects of their lives and careers. 29:43
• The hosts and guest discuss their ‘personal advisory boards’. 33:38
• The hosts and guests discuss their ‘brands’. 34:45
• What are you reading lately? 36:55
• Thanks 38:19

Laura Enyedi, MD, is a professor of ophthalmology and pediatrics at Duke Eye Center and medical director of South Durham Ophthalmology in North Carolina.

Cathleen McCabe, MD, is chief medical officer of Eye Health America and medical director of The Eye Associates in Sarasota, FL.

Cynthia Pong, JD, is an award-winning executive coach and speaker who empowers women of color leaders to advance their careers into positions of power. As founder and CEO of Embrace Change, Cynthia leads an elite, all-BIPOC team who provide specialized coaching and training programs for high-performing women of color up to the C-suite. Her Anthem Award-winning Leadership Accelerator program has propelled women of color to prestigious fellowships, promotions and top graduate program admissions. Cynthia’s book, Don’t Stay in Your Lane: The Career Change Guide for Women of Color, has cemented her as a foremost voice on career advancement, negotiation and thought leadership. You can follow Cynthia on Instagram @embracechangenyc, LinkedIn and YouTube.

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Disclosures: The hosts and guest report no relevant financial disclosures.