Fearless Presence

Changing With Heart: Kerry Bunker


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  • The sacred contract between employer and employee. 0:01
  • Melanie introduces her guest for this episode, Kerry Bunker.
  • The power of vulnerability and contemporary leadership.
  • The sacred contract between an employer and an employee.
  • The psychological contract between employer and employee.
  • Mental Health in the Workplace. 4:16
  • Mental health in the 70's and 80's.
  • Total life stress and its impact on people.
  • Stress was being studied at a surface level.
  • Ideal relationship between employer and employee.
  • Cultivating the ability to learn. 9:58
  • Cultivating the ability to learn and balancing the six paradoxes.
  • Lessons learned from the 80's.
  • Diversity and inclusion are hot buttons right now.
  • The false idol of change.
  • The same lesson over and over again.
  • The role of masking in leadership.
  • Vulnerability and how it affects relationships. 18:11
  • People with the cleanest houses have the messiest divorces.
  • Change can be a distraction.
  • The year-long experience.
  • The emotional fallout of downsizing in the 90's. 23:21
  • The Canadian government asked for help with downsizing.
  • The emotional fallout from downsizing in the 90's.
  • Leaders don't understand what it feels like to be on the other side.
  • Downsizing by a third.
  • How to get people to share their stories. 29:23
  • Releasing a secret that was kept for years.
  • A week-long program with questions.
  • What it feels like to be you right now.
  • The first session with the clients.
  • Listening to and choosing learning partners for the week.
  • Leveraging connections to connect with the group.
  • Reactions from groups when they were told no. 37:50
  • Making changes in the group.
  • Decide independently who will leave the group in 20 minutes.
  • Sacred contract with the employer.
  • Reactions when groups had to execute tasks.
  • The emotional fallout of not following through. 42:59
  • A wide range of emotions, from anger to complacency.
  • The process of debriefing.
  • The emotional fallout of not speaking up.
  • The three-star general in the army.
  • The importance of trust in leadership. 49:17
  • The agreement could be very different for different people.
  • Expectation and violation is extremely powerful.
  • Becoming bonded for life after the program.
  • Why the program was created.
  • What was learned from the experience.
  • 80% of change management failed because they underestimated the human side.
  • The power of human connection. 56:53
  • The power of the pyramid in the program.
  • The open invitation to dinner.
  • Human connection is a potent medicine.
  • The paradox of in-person vs remote work.
  • Balancing paradox and the end of the week. 1:02:58
  • Balancing paradox, under-do and over-do anything.
  • Parker Palmer's personal paradox of overdoing it.
  • The paradox of being rejected and adored at the same time.
  • A stress-related heart attack.
  • Managing the mental health of the patients. 1:08:24
  • Huge wake up call.
  • All powerful learning experiences have both positive and potentially negative downsides.
  • Balancing self-care and taking care of others.
  • The importance of supporting each other.
  • How to get more information about Kerry and his work.
  • How to contact Kerry.

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