This week, we’re talking about Chaos: The Manson Murders (Netflix, 2025). Most stories about Charles Manson depict him as a special brand of villain: a personification of evil incarnate, a manipulative mastermind who lured vulnerable hippies to their murderous doom, a sociopath who looked for hidden meanings in Beatles’ lyrics and foretold an apocalyptic race war. In this documentary’s treatment, investigative reporter Tom O’Neill presents Manson as a CIA pawn who learned his mind-control techniques from his own ostensible time in the covert MKUltra program. Our conversation doesn’t try to get to the truth of the matter. Instead, we discuss how and why people turn to exceptionalism narratives to make sense of the mundane. In the process, we learn that Mike’s never seen The Manchurian Candidate or Rosemary’s Baby! So send us your classic movie recommendations as we try to get him caught up to speed.

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Celisia Stanton’s Truer Crime podcast episodes on the Manson murders: https://truercrimepodcast.com/manson-pt-1/