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Emil Wåreus

SustainOSS

[00:02:33] Emil tells us all about himself, what he does, and explains what software composition analysis is.

[00:05:10] Sophia asks Emil for his perspective on open source health, measuring the quality of open source, and what it means for his customers and his platform. He mentions a great book to read as well.

[00:08:52] Emil tells us what people struggle with the most in terms of what he needs to help them understand or reeducate them in what is valuable in here, and how he helps them understand why they should care about these things.

[00:13:32] Emil explains how his journey started in open source and how it has evolved over time.

[00:15:32] Armstrong brings up future engineering and his concern with bias and perspective of communities, and Emil goes into more detail about it.

[00:20:41] We learn about a graph model of all open source that Emil is developing.

[00:22:24] Sophia wonders if Emil is interested in tracking the influence of individuals in these systems and if that’s something that could often muck up very systematic approaches and how he handles it. He talks about a project called Flask RESTX that he recommends.

[00:27:38] Armstrong brings up the problem with maintenance which draws him to the metrics and how the social aspect of this community is a huge concern, and he wonders how Emil mitigates this aspect since an open source community deals with the socio-technical.

[00:30:25] Emil walks us through his terminology.

[00:35:52] Armstrong asks Emil how open he is to collaboration to make sure that we can work to view a very complex set of a model that we are presented. Sophia also shares interest in working with Emil’s model within the CHAOSS project and within some of their research divisions at Google.

[00:38:48] Find out where you can connect with Emil online.

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Special Guest: Emil Wåreus.

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Steffen Herbold

SustainOSS

[00:01:36] Steffen and Alexander introduce themselves and tell us what they do.

[00:02:29] We learn what SmartSHARK is.

[00:04:39] Alexander tells us where to begin if you want to learn about a repository using SmartSHARK.

[00:09:30] Sean talks about a similar project he’s working on as part of the CHAOSS project.

[00:10:40] Georg wonders what they have learned from the data and how they’ve used it since they’ve collected such a huge pile of data and have metrics on all of that.

[00:12:13] Alexander shares some insights on some of his research findings.

[00:16:17] Alexander explains what he means by static analysis and if the recommendations in the static analysis are language specific.

[00:19:18] Andrea wonders how Alexander defines the rules and if he refers to specific standards.

[00:21:35] Georg wonders if Steffen has looked at any other metrics, and if he has looked at any of those kinds of community health metrics if he’s paired them with the code metrics he was looking at. Steffen tells us about a database they are using.

[00:23:58] If you’re interested in exploring the data and seeing the insights, Steffen tells us where you can get started.

[00:26:27] Andrea asks Steffen if there are any public projects that he can share with us that he has seen improving or getting worse, and he tells us about literature on defect predictions in software.

[00:30:31] Georg asks Steffen if he had one wish for the CHAOSS Project what it would be.

[00:31:23] Find out where you can follow Steffen and Alexander online.

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Special Guests: Alexander Trautsch and Steffen Herbold.

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Georg Link | Sri Ramkrishna | Neofytos “Neo” Kolokotronis

Aniqa Khokhar

[00:03:04] The four guests introduce themselves and tell us what community they are with.

[00:05:23] Paul and Caroline share with us goals they have when they are doing their jobs for these GNOME and KDE communities.

[00:06:37] Paul and Aniqa tells us what a typical day looks like for the work they do.

[00:08:22] Sri asks them what their goals are and current methodology.

[00:12:09] Paul asks Kristi how successful she is with people answering the surveys since he has seen so many people ignore them, and Caroline shares what they do as well.

[00:14:16] Georg asks the guests if there are other goals they have for their communities besides bringing in more diverse people. Sri wonders if they go back and look at audience numbers as an indication of brand propagation.

[00:17:05] Caroline explains to us what the Community Engagement Challenge is and what she did with the program.

[00:18:46] Paul shares with us about market share, user base, and his thoughts on those metrics.

[00:25:34] Caroline and Kristi tell us from a marketing perspective, how well their community is doing in terms of community health and what metrics they use in that communication.

[00:28:33] We end with the guests each telling us the one metric they would like to see and what it would be. Also, find out where you can connect with them online to follow their work.

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Special Guests: Aniqa Khokhar, Caroline Henriksen, Kristi Progri, Neofytos Kolokotronis, Paul Brown, and Sri.

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Georg Link | Don Marti | Venia Logan

Matt Yonkovit

[00:31:22] “We didn’t open source it to get help from the community, to make the product bigger. We open sourced as a freemium strategy; to drive adoption,” quote by MongoDB CEO.

[00:37:32] “And I think that hurts the overall willingness for a lot of companies to invest heavily in community because community is a long tail activity. It’s about fostering relationships that last multiple companies. It’s about the fostering relationships that go over many years. And I think that’s a very important and key thing because when you look at marketing, is really designed to how do I get sales to get optimized? How do I get them leads to generate? So I think that’s an important thing to consider, is you’ve got this thing where you’ve got, Hey, I’m looking for the long term health of the community, but the bigger the community I have, the bigger pie that sales, eventually people will come in.”

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[00:02:51] Matt tell us what Percona is and what he does there. He also tells us what his day-to-day looks like.

[00:05:45] Since Matt’s community seems to be very diverse and spreads across a lot of platforms creating a lot of content, he talks about where all his community facets are how they tie into and generate a lot of the content that supports here in community.

[00:09:25] Georg asks Matt if he looks at the health of these communities that they are a part of or what does he look at.

[00:14:20] Matt talks about the laws that have been enacted recently and how people have become data hoarders.

[00:16:40] We learn about most applications having the consent now on the internet, and Matt talks about schemas and how it’s like an anti-developer thing.

[00:21:51] Georg brings up in the CHAOSS project and how they are crafting data policy or privacy policy for their open source project because the idea that we work in the open, the data is available, but some people don’t want them to analyze it even though it’s out there. Georg asks Matt if he has any ideas on this.

[00:24:39] Don asks Matt if he finds himself taking private discussions and then going through the work of sanitizing them to the point where they can be shared with the community as a public content resource.

[00:26:28] Venia wonders if Matt has a specific policy or data destruction point for their support tickets. Matt talks about having to implement different encryption schemes.

[00:28:44] Matt shares his thoughts on open source licenses around databases. He mentions a talk he did at FOSDEM recently on “The Death of Openness and Freedom.”

[00:35:55] Venia talks about metrics and putting together a dashboard for your community, and then asks Matt if he would say a lot of this could be cut off if you were to look at Metrics A rising and Metrics B lowering in proportion.

[00:39:42] From the point of view of a developer who’s starting a new project, Don wonders how to balance the data base option against the option of running an open source database and managing it yourself. Matt explains database service being both a good thing and a bad thing all at the same time.

[00:43:09] Matt tells us where we can find him online and more about his talks, blog, and podcast.

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Special Guest: Matt Yonkovit.

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Stefka Dimitrova

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[00:02:17] Stefka and Ivana tell us about themselves and what they do at VMware.

[00:04:01] We learn more about what Stefka and Ivana talked about at the presentation at the OSS Europe 2020 with the metrics, why they did the analytics on open source communities, and what goals they had in mind.

[00:06:39] Stefka talks more about identifying reasons why a project fails, what she’s observed, and what it means to her that a project fails.

[00:10:01] Kate asks Stefka how long it takes before she actually considers a project to be inactive and what threshold she was using. Ivana tells us if they are measuring adoption and how much information they find using their analysis.

[00:14:00] Georg mentions LFX Insights that Linux Foundation launched, and how they’re planning to include Twitter chatter to see whether projects are being mentioned. He wonders if Ivana would be interested in using this in their analysis.

[00:16:31] Kate wonders how often Stefka goes back and re-examines and checkpoints her list of projects that she thinks are worth working with.

[00:19:22] Stefka tells us how many metrics they keep standard for all the projects and about the dependencies.

[00:22:24] Matt asks Stefka and Ivana to talk about the internal organizational process and the reception within VMware.

[00:29:06] Since Ivana uses Augur and contributes to the CHAOSS Project Augur, she shares with us how she came to the project and how the journey has been for her.

[00:33:51] Ivana and Stefka talk about examples of the types of improvements they would like to be seeing showing up in Augur.

[00:38:48] Stefka and Ivana tell us where you can connect with them and follow the progress of their work online.

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Special Guests: Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova.

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Sophia Vargas

SustainOSS

[00:02:12] Sophia tells us about what she does at Google and her journey to getting where she is right now.

[00:06:15] We learn what Sophia does within the Open Source Programs Office.

[00:08:33] Dawn asks Sophia how she looks at the life cycle of these open source projects in aggregate because it’s such a huge amount of projects.

[00:11:06] Georg is curious to know Google’s approach to differentiate and generalize projects and the dynamics within the projects and Sophia tells us what they do for teams to learn more about their own projects.

[00:16:27] Daniel wants to know what Sophia learned from FOSDEM as the first steps in the OSPO movement.

[00:18:42] Since Sophia came from analyzing technology projects at Forrester, to now analyzing open-source projects, Dawn wonders what was different and what was the same about those two experiences.

[00:23:48] We learn how coming to CHAOSS informed Sophia’s work and where she hopes CHAOSS will go as a project in the future.

[00:28:57] Daniel asks Sophia if there’s any specific area that she is missing in CHAOSS that she would like to start working on, and she shares something. Also, Daniel talks about a survey done with ASF.

[00:35:01] Sophia tells us where you can follow her work and connect with her online.

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Xiaoya Xia

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[00:02:15] Xiaoya introduces herself, how she came to CHAOSS, what it was like to apply to the Google Season of Docs, and why she chose this project.

[00:04:26] Matt and Aastha tell us what the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program is about and what the status was before Xiaoya started her project.

[00:08:50] Xiaoya tells us her experience coming into this project and deciding what the final outcome will look like.

[00:10:30] Xiaoya shares with us some of the trials and tribulations and how she overcame any challenges.

[00:12:19] Aastha asks Xiaoya how she’s going forward with this project and what her future plans are. She also tells us if she would do it again and if she would recommend other technical writers to the project.

[00:19:49] Jaskirat introduces himself and tells us his background. He also tells us what it was about the CHAOSS project specifically that connected with your past experiences.

[00:23:01] Jaskirat tells us all about his project.

[00:26:51] We learn how Jaskirat got started with the project application process.

[00:30:53] We find out how Jaskirat’s project evolved from the starting point to the completion. He also tells us about the Community Handbook and what his next steps are going forward.

[00:33:30] Jaskirat tells us where we can find him online to connect with him.

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Special Guests: Aastha Bist, Jaskirat Singh, Matt Snell, and Xiaoya Xia.

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Georg Link | Venia Logan | Brian Proffitt | Richard Littauer | Pia Mancini

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[00:03:54] Richard wants to know if metrics lose some of the qualitative aspects of communities and of projects by trying to find quantitative things and how are they not stripping away what really is the heart of open source.

[00:09:20] Pia wonders what are the most important qualitative metrics CHAOSS is evaluating. Georg tells us how they established the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program (D&I Badging) at CHAOSS.

[00:14:48] Richard wonders if they’ve found a lot of uptake for the badges and if people have started using them.

[00:15:29] Georg tells us how people can get involved besides joining the working group. He explains three main areas that CHAOSS has to get involved.

[00:20:23] Pia tells us what Sustain is, how it started, and what they do.

[00:23:29] Venia talks about the concept of what a company, organization, or community is to people, and how they want to see something happen, so they ask for more structure. Pia tells us about Open Collective.

[00:27:36] Pia brings up doing the first Sustain and the first insights they wrote from the meeting about maintainers.

[00:29:57] Venia talks about her consultation services and how she works with other companies to produce community strategies. Georg tells us what he thinks works well for the Sustain community and what brought him in.

[00:32:41] Richard gives praises to Gunner and Pia for all the work they’ve done with Sustain, and Pia shares with us about having concerns the first time they did an event with a lot of people.

[00:34:49] Georg tells where you can get involved in the CHAOSS community and Richard tells us where you can get involved in the Sustain community.

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Special Guests: Pia Mancini and Richard Littauer.

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[00:01:34] Abhinav gives us an introduction of himself and what he did at Google Summer of Code 2020. He tells us what it was like applying to the program, his experience throughout the process, discovering CHAOSS, and deciding on this project.

[00:03:31] Abhinav talks about working with Gitlab Data and the new feature he developed. Sean explains the merge request and the work Abhinav did with Augur.

[00:05:34] Sean and Abhinav describes how the pull request/merge request portion of how it’s set up and how much he was able to reuse or change it to implement the merge requests.

[00:06:57] We learn the most challenging part about reimplementing the architecture for the GitLab API and how he overcame it.

[00:08:28] Georg wonders once the data was there if Abhinav was able to use the same visualizations that he uses for pull requests or were there changes that he also had to do in the presentation of the data.

[00:10:25] Abhinav tells us how his experience was, how he worked with the mentors in the community, and how his learning experience was enhanced or encumbered by having peers on the Google Summer of Code.

[00:14:06] Abhinav explains what his experience has been like coming into an open source community.

[00:14:56] Since Google of Summer Code is done, Abhinav shares with us his plans for the future and where his journey is taking him now.

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Abhinav Bajpai

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Special Guest: Abhinav Bajpai.

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Luis Cañas-Díaz

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[00:02:20] Luis tells us all about himself, what he’s doing now, and how things evolved for him to get to this point.

[00:06:25] Andrea wonders when Luis started the company if he followed those kind of management books of starting the company for dummies where first you need a mission or vision.

[00:08:20] Andrea said some people say that maybe data is the new oil, or maybe it’s the way you use the data, or the metrics can be the new oil, and Luis responds.

[00:11:22] Georg talks about starting CHAOSS three years ago, and how happy he was that Bitergia was one of the Co-Founders bringing in all of this experience. He also tells us about a new thing on the CHAOSS website under “Initiatives” where you can find community reports on the some of the metrics they have been defining. Luis talks about this report too.

[00:13:58] Andrea wonders how many metrics Luis has available and if he has any common ones he recommends starting with. Georg wonders how does Luis identify contributors in open source and their organizational affiliation?

[00:16:50] With Luis’s long history of working with metrics and users of open source metrics, Georg wonders if there are any do’s and don’ts or anything that he would take away from this experience and say to someone who is doing this work that here are some pitfalls that you need to be aware of.

[00:19:28] Andrea talks about one of his favorite metrics, which is the geography one, Luis’s is the elephant factor, and Georg talks about the elephant factor.

[00:23:45] Georg tells us why he enjoys the diversity and inclusion metrics and the value metrics, and why they are so important to him.

[00:26:29] Luis tells us if he has a metric that is the most controversial or the most difficult to use.

[00:29:04] Find out where you can learn more about Luis’s work and where you can find him online.

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Special Guest: Luis Cañas-Díaz.

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