Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

In this episode, we're continuing our conversation with Becky Paskin, drinks journalist and founder of the OurWhisky Foundation.

If you haven't yet heard part 1 of this episode, do start there, then come on back here for more.

For those of you that are caught up, we pick up right where we left off – with the experience that led Becky to say "never again", including what happened 6 years ago and its impact since.

Becky then tells us more about her latest project, Drink This, along with her tasting events and TV work. And we have lots of fun with our last call round – quick questions, not so quick answers this time around!

I also wanted to share a content warning that we do discuss a cancer scare and how Becky has since learned to put herself and her health first.

As you can probably tell, we touch on a wide range of topics in this conversation and I'm incredibly grateful to Becky for being so open and honest throughout.

On the learnings from her experience calling out Jim Murray's sexist language: "…the amount of messages I received from women off the back of this one incident made me say to myself – maybe this is a promise and driving thing really – never again. I will never let a single woman experience the sort of things I've just experienced and I will never let the next generation of women coming into this industry experience the sort of things that these women are telling me they have."

On priorities: "You can keep giving yourself to others to make them happy and you can keep putting yourself into work, thinking that those accomplishments are going to make you happy, but you have to prioritize yourself. Whatever that looks like for you as an individual. Put yourself first every single day… and the rest of the day can be for anybody else. But if you don't put yourself first, no one else is going to."

On this conversation: "I just want to put it on the record that I think the questions that you've asked in this podcast… they've been the most insightful and interesting questions I've ever been asked in my career."

On calling out Jim Murray's sexist language:

• Becky's post on Instagram, Sept 2020

• Felipe's article in Forbes – Sexism In Whisky: Why You Shouldn't Read The Whisky Bible

• Becky's resulting power anthem – Taylor Swift, "Look What You Made Me Do"

Becky's Brighton reccs:

• Vine Street Tap

• Patio

• Voya

• On Air

• And the story behind "Hove, actually"

Where you can catch Becky on TV:

• ITV Love Your Weekend

• ITV This Morning

• Channel 5 Harvest on the Farm

On the gym:

• Becky's pull up journey

• Nat's podcast recc on the benefits of strength training

Becky's book reccs:

• Nonfiction before the gym:

  • The Wine Bible by Karen McNeil (Luma recommended this book in Ep 6, too!)

• Fiction before bed:

  • Sarah J Mass Throne of Glass & ACOTAR series

  • Rebecca Yarros The Empyrean series

Becky's travel bucket list:

• Tasmania (paging Discover Tasmania to get Becky over there!)

• March 2026 at PLATF9RM in Brighton

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Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

Today's guest is Becky Paskin, drinks journalist and founder of The OurWhisky Foundation.

We had so much to talk about, this episode will be coming at you in two parts!

In this first half, Becky tells us how she got her start as a drinks writer, what it takes to make a living as one today, what an editor actually does, and why she believes they don't get nearly enough credit.

We also dig into her distilling qualifications – why she pursued them and how they've informed her work.

Lastly, we explore why she's such a passionate advocate for diversity within the drinks industry, along with the work she's doing to drive real change.

On looking back: "We can always look back on what could have been, but so long as you're always following your heart and your interests and what makes you happy, I don't think you're ever going to regret your decisions."

On being an editor: "…a lot of people think that's a really glamorous thing and that the best thing you could possibly be doing is writing, but I genuinely think editing is a much greater skill."

On the advice she received after gaining her qualifications: "'Learn it, have it under your belt, but forget about it.' So I've tried my best over the years to just think simply, just break it down and create frameworks and systems within the way I speak about whisky to simplify it for audiences as much as possible, while still making everything true."

On the importance of diversity: "I feel like no two people have the same palate and it's all based on experience, and that's why diversity in drinks is so important because people bring different experiences of different flavours to the table… I think we should be celebrating individuality a lot more than we actually do within the drinks industry."

On the OurWhisky mentees: "I'm so proud of all of them. Somebody said, can you give me an idea of a success story from the Atonia Programme and I said, I can't give you just one. There are so many of them – 250 women have gone through our programme and they're all doing amazing things and I'm proud of each and every one of them."

What we're drinking:

• A 2015 sample bottle of Bruichladdich's A Final Act of Creation, a 23-year old aged whisky aged in a Château Latour Wine Cask

Where Becky's worked:

• Big Hospitality, now Restaurant

• Spirits Business

• ScotchWhisky.com

Her 'hats':

• Drinks journalist, presenter and consultant

• The OurWhisky Foundation

  • Atonia Programme for mentorship

  • The Modern Face of Whisky image library

  • Do You Even Like Whisky? report

• Drink This

Qualifications Becky holds:

• NCTJ Diploma in Journalism

• CIBD General Certificate in Distilling

• WSET Level 3 Award in Spirits

People shout outs:

• Jim McEwan, who gifted Becky the whisky we're tasting

• Alan Whichester, who supported Becky during her GCD studies

• Dr. Nick Morgan, who gave Becky some advice after completing her GCD

• Dhavall Ghandi, who Becky mentions during our discussion about the importance of diversity in drinks, especially when it comes to tasting

• Lucy Cox, founder of The Academe who runs The Power Room for Becky's mentees

• Millie Milliken, who works with Becky on The OurWhisky Foundation

More to follow soon from part 2…

• March 2026 at PLATF9RM in Brighton

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Hey listeners, Nat here. Just a quick note that I'm a little behind schedule with this week's episode of Cheers with Nat and it will be with you on Friday instead of today.

I know consistency is super important, so please accept my apologies for the delay. I do have a good reason though – I was over in New York City recording 4 episodes for an upcoming mini-series – so you've got that to look forward to this summer!

For now, back to this season. My next guest and I had so much to chat about, Episode 9 will be coming at you in two parts.

Check back on Friday to find out who I'm chatting with, and thanks for your patience in the meantime. Cheers!

Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

Last week, you heard from Amélie, the founder of the Women in Beer mentorship programme. This week, you're going to hear from one of the mentees!

Today's guest is Elizabeth Townsend, co-owner of Kerroo Brewing Company.

Elizabeth shares how she went from studying music at university to opening a brewery with her partner, taking us through her portfolio career and how it gave her the confidence to do what she does today.

We also discuss how her role in the business is evolving, how she stays grounded outside of work, the life changing network she's grateful to be part of, and more.

On portfolio careers: "I've had quite a portfolio career. Some might say I haven't stuck at things for very long. But I like to think of it as just doing different jobs, I pick up different skills – it's made it possible to do what I do now."

On working with her partner: "We have complementary skills that work together and mean that I can do all the logistics and the sales and the PR and that kinda thing, and he brews the beer and absolutely nails that…. and I think running a business is something I'm good at. Can I say that?"

On an early inspiration: "My parents would never talk me out of anything. They'd give me their opinion, and I might take it or I might not take it. But I appreciated that they also took risks and I saw that… I've never actually thought about that before. But ya, I think that's what it was."

On learnings from her time at Decca Records: "I had to learn how to stay calm under pressure, make sure that I had an awareness of what was going on. You know that feeling when you get overwhelmed and you start to panic and you can't think straight. That was really good training of just being like, 'No, things will work out. Just think straight and you'll be fine.' And I think over the last couple of years I've gone, 'I literally don't know what do to here.' But it's having faith in yourself that you will figure something out."

On the importance of passion: "Everything that I've done in my career so far has been something that I've wanted to do. And it's been interesting. And I think having an interest in what you do is really important."

On the Women in Beer mentorship programme: "Having the Women in Beer network has been life changing for me in that it's given me the ability to see other people doing the things I'm doing."

What we're drinking:

• Kerroo x Colbier Aranne Mountain IPA

Elizabeth & Nick's brewery:

• Kerroo Brewing Company

Where she worked before:

• Decca Records

• One of her best pieces of work there:

  • Sheku Kanneh Mason in GQ

  • Listen here

Podcast recc:

• Pellicle podcast:

  • Ep85 — How Thornbridge Saved The Burton Union

  • (Nat's addition: Ep80 — Nick Scarffe and Elizabeth Townsend of Kerroo Brewing)

TV reccs:

• Ozark

• Arrested Development

Who she'd love to share a drink with: Jessie Buckley

• Hamnet

• Cabaret

• March 2026 at BeerX, Liverpool

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Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

Today's guest is Amélie Tassin, founder of Tipple Marketing and Women in Beer.

Amélie shares how her career in marketing began, what led her to focus on beer, and how the social group she started after moving to Scotland grew into a festival, a mentorship scheme, and an awards programme – you'll hear the whole story!

We also discuss what drives her, what helps her to rest and reset outside of work, and plenty more along the way.

On her early inspiration: "When I was like 17/18, I was always going on the road with my dad to visit wineries and distilleries in the southwest. We were stopping in nice restaurants to have food. I had the Michelin guide on my knees in the car… And I thought it was absolutely amazing – the food, the details, the passion of the people."

On the idea behind the Women in Beer Festival: "The idea was to bring a few breweries up to Edinburgh, invite them on panel discussions, let them talk about what they know. Not talk about the fact of being a woman, but talk about what they know about the beer industry and their skills in the industry. It was very much visibility. It was creating role models for the younger generation, as well. For them to imagine a career was possible in the beer industry."

On what drives her: "If nobody's doing it, well, I'm gona do it because I don't want to wait."

On what the mentorship programme funds, and why: "We also pay for the travel and accommodation of our mentees when we ask them to go to their WSET qualification, for example, or when we invite them to do a field trip to network with their peers. Because, again, if we only offer those chances to people that can afford it, we're not changing the system… We are paying for that because we need to have people coming from all backgrounds and it's very important."

On why she loves working in drinks: "We're very lucky to work with something that is so emotional and so artistic – like drinks, and the making of a drink – and that provokes so much emotional reaction in people, as well. It's a fantastic industry."

What we're drinking

• Dolcita IPA: The Moonwake & Mother Tongue IWBCD brew with Women in Beer UK & Glasladies Beer Society

Amelie's beer-specific marketing agency: Tipple Marketing

Amelie's social group, and more: Women in Beer UK

• The social group

• The festival

• The mentorship programme - see all mentors here

• The annual awards & all 2025 winners

Drinks publication recommendation: Pellicle

Book recc: The Witcher

• March 2026 at BeerX, Liverpool

• Oddly, the can opening and cheers sounds didn't get picked up by the mic this time, so that's why they're not there!

• (I think my mic is on its way out (after 8 years!), so I'm currently shopping for a new one to fix these issues. Thanks again for bearing with in the meantime!)

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Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

Today's guest is Luma Monteiro aka @WineriaOfficial on Instagram and Head of Marketing at Davy's Wine Merchants.

We start by discussing the many hats Luma wears, how she first got into wine, and how she got to where she is now – by building both her wine knowledge and her business expertise.

Luma then tells us what motivates her, the message she hopes her journey shares with others, the new hobby she's obsessed with outside of work, and lots more.

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What stuck with me from this conversation:

On her focus: "I'm very organised and I do think I have to be because I do so many things at the same time. And I'm very focused. I'm like, 'This is where we are going, don't divert from the plan. This is where we are going to go.'"

On what motivates her: "You want to feel included. You want to feel represented. You know. I'm Brazilian, I'm Latina, I'm not white. You know what I mean. So, you do need these things to push you in places that normally it's not easy… I think that motivated me even more than the knowledge. Because I'm like, what now? We have to change the game… and sometimes it has to be you. Who else is going to do it?"

On her impact in the industry: "I do think the importance of being influential is what do you do with it, what is the message you are sending to people. For me, my motive forever will be 'everyone can do it'. It doesn't matter where you came from, it doesn't matter where you are. And that is what motivates me to move on and do my things and be focused."

On why she loves working in drinks: "I do love a challenge, you know."

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Links & things:

Luma's Instagram: @WineriaOfficial

What we're drinking: Joseph Grau El Pas de l'Estudiant

Luma's day job: Davy's of London

Luma's studies:

• WSET Level 3 & Diploma in Wines
• Champagne Academy
• Master of Wine
  • Gerard Basset Foundation Scholarships
  • Brazil's only MW (currently!), Dirceu Vianna Junior MW

Competitions Luma judges at:

• Decanter
• Concours Mondial de Bruxelles

Where she switches off: Yoga Space London

Book reccs:

• The Wine Bible by Karen MacNeil
• Salt by Mark Kurlansky

TV recc: Narcos

Celeb to share a drink with: Beyonce with a glass of SirDavis (not Sir John as we say in the episode, oops!)

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Recording info:

February 2026 in London

Apologies for the few occasions where the audio quality dips a bit. I think it may have been an issue with my mic connection that I didn't catch at the time. This conversation is really worth a listen though, so please do bear with!

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Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

Today's guest is Nicola Hart, founder of Agua de Madre.

Nicola starts by telling us all about Agua de Madre's signature product – water kefir – including what it is, where she first discovered it, and what led her to start making it herself.

From there, we discuss how the business has evolved over the years, why Nicola traded a career in film-making for one in fermentation (and the unexpected parallels between the two), what keeps her grounded outside of work, and lots more.

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• On functional drinks: "Everybody's understanding now, people are drinking less or rather they're just wanting to add value to their water. I mean, in the past, I would only ever drink water. I didn't 'get' fizzy drinks – until now."

• On film-making vs building a drinks brand: "All those skills you get – from organisation, making things happen, you've got a budget. In fact, I'd say that probably working in the drinks world is much tougher. Because in film production, you might have a 10-week production time when it's 24/7, but then you have the downtime before that when you're working with the script and raising the money, and then you have the downtime after when you're editing. Getting a drink to market is absolutely non-stop. It's intense."

• On learning new skills and building a team: "It's about age and experience and listening and knowing that you don't know everything. That kind of helps… But also trusting your gut, as well. Trust your gut is pretty much one of our lines. 'Get a good gut feeling' is what it's about. And more and more that comes back."

• On advice for other founders: "Just start. Just do the first step. Obviously, you learn on the way… Actually it's just starting and having passion, commitment, and knowing that it's going to be a long haul – it's not going to be a sprint – and to stick with it."

• On what keeps her in the drinks industry: "Well, its compelling, isn't it? It's compelling to see the business grow. Especially now it seems to be. I'm enjoying the adventure. I'm enjoying the ride and, boy, what a ride."

• Agua de Madre

  • Product range

    • We were tasting the blood orange water kefir

  • Home Madre film competition (scroll down)

• Early inspiration & stockists

  • Doug McMaster's Silo (now closed)

  • Sam & Sam Clark's Moro

• Nicola's latest film project

  • Firebrand (2023)

  • Based on the book Firebrand by Elizabeth Fremantle

• Local restaurants getting some love

  • Jolene (makers of my fave cinnamon roll in London!)

  • Primeur

  • Westerns Laundry

• The Fermenters Guild

• Madres on the dance floor with Sophie Ellis Bextor

• Nicola's podcast reccs:

  • Hungry (getting its second shout out on the show!)

  • People Doing Things with Ed Little

  • BBC's The Food Programme – 'The Science of Fermentation' episode

• Nicola's book reccs:

  • Tim Spector's Ferment

    • Check out Tim & Nicola's Instagram Live here

  • The Art of Fermentation by Sandor Ellix Katz

  • Which Wine When by Claire Strickett & Bert Blaize

  • Culpability by Bruce Holsinger

• January 2026 in London

• Apologies for the typing noises at certain points, Nicola's colleague Yasmin was diligently taking notes during our recording!

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Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

In today's episode, you'll hear from beer historian, Dr. Christina Wade.

We start by discussing how she turned her childhood dream of being a "castle person" into a career as a historian, and how the history of beer – and women in beer more specifically – became her focus.

Christina then shares how her award-winning books came to life, the beer history myth she's determined to bust, and what she's working on next. We also learn why she believes it's so important to share her work outside of academia and how she rewired her writing style for a broader audience.

Lastly, you'll hear about some of the new hobbies that keep her grounded outside of work, given that her hobby eventually became her work.

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What stuck with me from this conversation:

• On her childhood dream: "My family saved up lots and lots of money to be able to take me to Ireland after that because I just fell in love with medieval history. And I went to Bunratty Castle and, I think I must have been 10, and I looked at my mother and I said 'I want to be a castle person', you know I want to study this, this is what I want to do. And I want to do it here."

• On citing sources as a historian: "It was really important to me to make sure that I had sources that other people could read. I'm not just saying this and you can trust me. You shouldn't trust me. You shouldn't trust anybody unless they can provide their sources and you should look at those sources, if you're so inclined."

• On how her first book came about: "I really want to read this book, so I'm going to write this book, because I want to read it."

• On writing for different audiences: "You're gatekeeping to some degree. You're choosing what information to include and what not. And your audience is trusting you with that and that's a lot of power. So you want to make sure that you're writing something that's worthy of that, that they can engage with, that's still having the academic rigour that you would write for an academic audience but then in a way that speaks to them. So I write how I speak, so I write like I'm talking to my friends in the pub over a pint. And if I can't say it out loud and have people understand it, then it needs to be re-written."

• On the importance of listening in her work: "… it's also being able to gauge what your audience wants by not only speaking to your audience, but listening. I think that's a really important part. So it's not only writing the media, its also consuming the media. And listening to people's voices and seeing what are they interested in." Check out the episode to hear how this influenced the focus of The Devil's in the Draught Lines!

Links & things:

• What we're drinking

  • A nice little write up on both beers from The Beer Nut

  • Collaborator Liam K's website, IrishBeerHistory

  • The brewers, Trouble Brewing

• Christina's work

  • Braciatrix blog

  • The Devil's in the Draught Lines: 1000 Years of Women in Britain's Beer History (CAMRA, 2024)

    • Winner of The British Guild of Beer Writers Best Book in 2024

  • Filthy Queens: A History of Beer in Ireland (Nine Bean Rows, 2025)

    • Winner of The British Guild of Beer Writers Best Book in 2025

    • Shortlisted for The André Simon Award 2025, selected from over 140 submissions

  • Beer Ladies Podcast

  • Ladies Craft Beer Society of Ireland

• Recognition for Christina's work

  • In addition to the awards for her books, mentioned above, Christina was also named Beer Expert of the Year in the 2025 inaugural Women in Beer Awards

• People who inspired Christina's future work

  • Teresa McCullah

  • Liz Garibay

  • And the rest of the Beer Culture Center team

• Christina's book reccs – a shout out to fellow Irish beer writers!

  • The Dublin Pub: A Social and Cultural History by Donal Fallon

  • A Compendium of Irish Pints by Ali Dunworth

• What she's watching

  • His & Hers

  • Stranger Things

• January 2026 in Dublin

• Sorry for some of the background noises, we had the window open in my hotel room 😅

Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

In today's episode, you're going to hear from Natalie Chiu, co-founder of Saicho Sparkling Tea.

We explore how Natalie's lifelong love of food and her fascination with science led her to train as a flavourist… and how an unexpected twist during her and her husband's PhD programmes set them on the path to creating Saicho.

In addition to learning all about the business and the many roles Natalie plays within it, you'll also get a mini tea masterclass, hear the long list of podcasts that keep Natalie grounded outside of work, discover what she enjoys most about being part of the drinks industry, and a whole lot more.

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What stuck with me from this conversation:

• On wearing her many hats in the business: "It's such a joy, because every touch point is just so different. And it's nice to be able to see everything from conception of the product, to production, and then to release. And then seeing people come back and tell us they enjoy it, it's such a humbling experience."
• On Saicho's impact: "Creating Saicho is actually allowing people to have those moments. Because it's looking at something to appreciate it… Often we're so fast – in terms of eating, consuming, moving around – there's so much going on. And, actually, creating that and being part of that experience of slowing people down is just amazing."
• On starting the business: "Neither of us are business backgrounds. We're both scientists and we were just figuring things out. So we learned along the way."
• On how the market has changed: "Whenever we go out to see consumers and we'll do tastings, we used to get a really confused faces about sparkling tea. Now, it's people are actively seeking out sparkling tea. It is such a difference just over the couple of years we've been around."
• On advice for her younger self: "Something that I definitely think is important to get through and start a business is to make sure you have grit and perseverance through those challenges. I think, for me, not giving up is probably one of the most important things… And then finding your people. Whether or not you're looking at hiring your first person and continuing to hire people. Finding people that fit when you're looking for advisors or investors. It's important to find those people that fit with you. And I think trusting your gut is often the best thing."

Links & things:

• Saicho Sparkling Tea
  • We were tasting the Osmathus, which was a seasonal, but is now part of the core range
  • Try them all here
  • Check out 'The Art of Pairing'
• University of Nottingham
  • Food science research
• Natalie's podcast reccs:
  • Acquired
  • Hungry
  • Dish
  • Science vs
  • The Check up
• And one TV recc for good measure
  • Emily in Paris (I wholeheartedly agree with this one! 😄)

Recording info:

• December 2025 in London

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Welcome back to Cheers with Nat – the podcast dedicated to cheering on women in drinks.

Before we get started with Episode 2, I wanted to share an exciting update about last week's guest, Georgia Kelly.

In true Cheers with Nat fashion, Georgia has also just moved beyond beer! Last week, on the very day her episode was released, she started a new role as a sales rep for Disaronno. Please do take a moment to pop onto LinkedIn and congratulate her, as that's what this show is all about – cheering on women in drinks. What a start!

And we've got another incredible guest up next.

In today's episode, you're going to hear from Karina Aggarwal, better known on Instagram as GiggleWater411.

Considering one of the things Karina loves most about her work is that no two days look alike, we start by digging into her job as a brand strategist and consultant and what it actually entails. We then go all the way back, discussing her childhood interest in Egyptology (and the surprising parallel with her work today), how she created her current role, the hobbies that keep her grounded outside of work, and more.

Just before we get into the episode, I wanted to share a little content warning that we also talk about Karina's recent battle with cancer, which she's been very open about on her social media. If you have a loved one living with cancer, like I do, I know these conversations can be tough to hear, but Karina's story is a really inspiring one. She lets us in on why she chose to share her battle so publicly, the positive impact she's had on others by doing so, and the life lessons she's learned from this experience.

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What stuck with me from this conversation:

• On imposter syndrome: "For me one of the things that has always helped is to know that I've done as much as I could from a preparation point of view… The confidence then comes to say, if there's something that I don't know, it's really ok for me to say, 'Oh wait, that's an interesting question. Let me try to find out about that. I'm not sure.' It doesn't diminish everything else that I know."
• On her role as a brand strategist: "It may eventually be about selling the product, but you want to establish what the brand is, you want to know who the right audience is to speak to, and how do you speak to the audience."
• On social media: "The idea is not to say this is the best whiskey or the best beer, it's always to say this for this reason is why I like to drink it or why it's on my bar."
• On her journey with cancer:
  • Why she shared it publicly: "I just realised that I wanted people to hear from me. Like, I wanted them to know where I was at at that point in my head. That it wasn't a sob story. Yes it was a huge thing and I was sort of getting used to it. But that I was ok."
  • The impact on others: "The other thing that became really important through the journey is that, again, when I first put it out there, I encouraged women to go and get tested. I said it's not something that we are told and I don't know why that is… and a lot of women write to me and said, 'We went. We took our best friends, we took our sisters, we took our mothers. We had been putting it off for a while.' But it was almost like, if it happened to you, it can happen to us."
  • The impact on herself: "I've never been a patient person. I wouldn't say I am one now. But it did teach me a little bit to, you know, pick my battles a little better. Slow things down a little bit. Not need to be everywhere all at once."
• On scuba diving: "I struggle with getting my mind to shut down… but being in the ocean and diving and just looking at stuff and thinking about how the symbiosis is between these things and how it functions, that really calms me. It stops my mind from wondering."

Links & things:

• Indian indigenous spirits
  • Six Brothers Mahura
  • More on mahura and feni
• Karina's favourite comeptitions to judge
  • Concours Mondial de Bruxelles
  • Brussels Beer Challenge
• The legend that is RBG
• Book reccs – The Broken Earth Triology

Recording info:

• November 2025 in Bangalore, India
• Apologies for the background noise, we were recording in a meeting room in our hotel in India (we were both in Bangalore for the Brews & Spirits Expo) and we had a bit of company on a few occasions!

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