Chris Butler joined me to talk about Devil's Glitch, the world's longest song; seeing The Who on Shindig changing his life; how Broadway showtunes showed him how to write a song; being in an integrated band in the 1960's; going to Kent State; The Kent State Massacre; playing college clubs; 3 one hour sets anight; being friends with Devo, Joe Walsh, and Terry & Chrissy Hynde; writing "I Know What Boys Like" as a member of Tin Huey; recording "I Know What Boys Like"; touring; "Christmas Wrapping" and its surprise success; reacting to reaction videos of "I Know What Boys Like" and  "Christmas Wrapping"; writing the theme song and appearing on the pilot of Square Pegs; being the bandleader on One Drink Minimum; living in Jeffrey Dahmer's childhood home; and "aging" out of New York