Church and Main

I chat with Jason Micheli, a United Methodist pastor, on the pitfalls of pathos in politics, emphasizing its potential to overshadow core Christian tenets. Drawing on Jason's article "Deprive Them of Their Pathos," we reflect on Karl Barth’s theological insights, arguing against conflating faith with political ideologies. Our conversation addresses the challenges of preaching in a politically charged climate and the need for churches to avoid becoming echo chambers. We highlight the importance of humility, grace, and intersectional engagement within the church, ultimately reinforcing our commitment to the transformative mission of the gospel amidst societal divisions.

Deprive Them Of Their Pathos by Jason Micheli

Tamed Cynic Blog

Crackers and Grape Juice Podcast

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In this episode, Ken Sundet Jones discusses the Iowa Preachers Project, emphasizing the importance of community among pastors and the need for compelling preaching in today's context. We look at the challenges pastors face, the significance of grace in preaching, and the transformative power of the gospel.

Iowa Preachers Project

Lutheran Toolkit by Ken Sundet Jones

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If there is one word that could describe our current politics, it would be anger. The anger in our politics doesn’t seem to move us forward towards solutions, but forces us to draw lines.  And this anger seems to infect our relationships, especially our churches.  How can we move past this anger and be faithful Christians who love each other regardless of our politics? Recently, I listened to an old sermon based on Luke 9:51-56 by Aaron Zimmerman, the Rector of St. Albans Episcopal Church in Waco, Texas. It was a great sermon tailored to the times and I wondered, did it still ring true today? So I invited Aaron to come on the podcast to talk about anger and what role the church can play in lowering the temperature.

Suggested Reading and Listening:

Anger, Politics and Jesus by Aaron Zimmerman

Same Old Song Podcast with Jacon Smith

St. Alban’s Waco

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An All Saints Theology in a Political Halloween World with Jacob Smith | Episode 237

This is a crossover episode with Future Christian and sort of a tradition with my colleague Loren Richmond Jr. as we converse from the General Assembly of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in Memphis, TN. We did this together in person in 2023 when GA was in Louisville, KY.  We talked about the event and the state of the denomination. This year in Memphis, I didn’t make it in person, but Loren and I still had a candid conversation about the state and future of the denomination, reflecting on what’s changed since past gatherings, the unique role and challenges of General Assembly in a time of declining attendance, and the ongoing tension between institutional loyalty and openness to diverse theological voices. We also talk about our own trials of bring a resolution about revival and prayer forward and what that means about the state of the denomination.

Episode 152: General Assembly Discussion with Loren Richmond Jr.

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A short note to let you all know I'm taking a break for the next two weeks and returning on August 29.  I share some notes on the future of the podcast and end with some hopeful words from the Mother of Jesus.

Resurrection Hope Amidst the Broken Politics of 2025 with Drew McIntyre | Episode 241

Should Christians Leave Trump's America? with Amy Mantravadi | Episode 245

The Church, The Trump Administration and the Dual State with Chris Gehrz | Episode 246

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Is there value in historical analogies?  Yes and no. Many have tried to make comparisons between Donald Trump and Adolph Hitler that end up not being helpful to understand the times we are living in. But then there are other times when looking at how past societies dealt with creeping authoritarianism can serve as a lesson for contemporary politics.

 In this conversation, Bethel University professor Chris Gehrz examines the unsettling nature of life under the concept of the dual state, particularly in the context of the Trump administration, and the implications for Christians in the United States and American democracy.

Suggested Reading and Listening:

One Nation Under a Dual State by Chris Gehrz

The Dual State: A Contribution to the Theory of Dictatorship by Ernst Fraenkel

America Is Watching the Rise of a Dual State by Aziz Huq

The Frightening Precedents for Trump’s ‘Legal Abyss’ by Amanda Taub

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Should Christians Leave Trump's America? with Amy Mantravadi | Episode 245

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In this conversation, Amy Mantravadi discusses her article on 'the theology of staying,' where she reflects on the historical context of Christianity in Egypt and the challenges faced by Christians in the Middle East. The discussion also delves into Dietrich Bonhoeffer's experiences in Nazi Germany, exploring the complexities of staying or leaving in times of crisis and the church's role in society. We explore Bonhoeffer's commitment to training pastors, his views on military service, and the role of the church in times of crisis. Mantravadi emphasizes the importance of hope and prayer in navigating cultural challenges and the need for a theological foundation in political engagement.

The Theology of Staying by Amy Mantravadi

Resurrection Hope Amidst the Broken Politics of 2025 with Drew McIntyre | Episode 241

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In this conversation, Josh Linman shares his faith journey from being a pastor's kid to founding Common Good Creative, a company focused on enhancing church communication. He discusses the importance of storytelling, community connection, and the role of technology and AI in modern church communication. Linman emphasizes the need for churches to adapt their messaging to resonate with people's desires for relationships, service, and purpose, and shares innovative strategies for welcoming visitors and engaging with the community.

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Want to Reach New People? Change How You Communicate! By Josh Linman

Common Good Creative

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In this episode of Church and Main, Ryan Self, a gay Christian from Austin, Texas, discusses LGBTQ inclusion in church communities. Ryan shares his journey from a conservative background to more affirming spaces, highlighting the pitfalls of churches that claim inclusivity yet fail to embody it. We discuss the balance between activism and faith, critiques of superficial inclusivity, and the need for authentic dialogue that honors diverse perspectives. 

Suggested Reading and Listening:

With ‘allies’ like these, who needs adversaries?

God and the Gay Christian (Matthew Vines)

How the Gay Rights Movement Radicalized and Lost Its Way (Andrew Sullivan)

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The Emergent Church seemed to be the future of the church, until it wasn't.  Andrew Crowson joins the podcast to discuss how the movement initially attracted young evangelicals by challenging traditional church norms, yet ultimately struggled with its identity and connection to foundational beliefs. Andrew shares insights from his experiences and his article "Are We Back?", pondering if today's context might rekindle the movement with lessons learned from its past. 

Are We Back? by Andrew Crowson

Dispatches from a God-Bathed World (Andrew's Substack)

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