In this episode, Dr. RaShall Brackney interviews Hansel Aguilar, the director of civilian oversight in the city of Berkeley, California. They discuss the history and growth of civilian oversight, different models of oversight, and the pros and cons of each model. They also explore the challenges and expectations of civilian oversight, including managing community expectations and building trust. Aguilar emphasizes the importance of reimagining civilian oversight and establishing national standards and training for oversight practitioners. He also highlights the support and mentorship he has received from the community of practitioners in this field.