North Dakota historian and scholar Clay Jenkinson joins host Mike McFeely to talk about the presidential debate between Democrat Kamala Harris and Republican Donald Trump that occurred September 10, 2024.

Clay and Mike don't agree on whether Harris was right or wrong to mostly shy away from the questions asked her in order to bait Trump into looking like a crazed old man.

Clay also says Mike is having a "hissy fit" at one point of their discussion, to which Mike responds well.