In this Special Edition episode, Lindsay and Alan tackle the massive disruption of Artificial Intelligence in music. They break down the controversy surrounding the first AI-generated Billboard charting artist, the fierce pushback from working musicians, and the surreal "uncanny valley" of algorithmic audio. Shifting to the jazz ecosystem, they analyze new tech like Neural Audio Synthesis and Stefon Harris’s Harmony Cloud, before subjecting themselves to some truly horrific Suno AI generations attempting to mimic modern jazz artists.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro: Going in blind on AI

01:13 - Meet Xania Monet: The first AI artist on the Billboard R&B charts

05:11 - Alan reacts to the cookie-cutter AI pop track in real-time

09:45 - The Gayle King interview and the ethics of "putting in the work"

16:18 - Kehlani’s backlash: AI stealing the spotlight from real musicians

24:00 - The "Uncanny Valley" effect of perfectly tuned AI audio

25:26 - Transitioning to the reality of AI in the Jazz ecosystem

27:22 - Neural Audio Synthesis and improvising live with AI models

31:40 - Stefon Harris’s Harmony Cloud ear-training app

36:39 - Suno AI Experiments: Prompting an Eric Dolphy jazz standard

43:24 - Forcing AI to simulate Tyshawn Sorey drumming for Steve Lehman

46:30 - Why jazz audiences won't tolerate fake, algorithm-generated music

49:09 - The Gen-Z analog revival and getting away from technology

50:09 - Birch Grove Media's official anti-AI label stance

51:04 - Outro: Podfuel and supporting human-made music

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Guitarist and composer Josh Lopes opens up about the intersection of classical chamber music discipline and underground experimentation. He walks through the collaborative history of Dither, the psychology of working directly under John Zorn, translating Laurie Spiegel’s planetary orbit tracking data to fretted instruments, and how an iPad mechanical failure turned a performance at the Stone into a living nightmare.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

00:25 - From Rhode Island to the Avant-Garde Scene

01:46 - Euphoniums, Marching Band, and Transferring Schools

03:44 - William Paterson University and the "Bossa Nova" Trap

05:44 - Unlearning Jazz Robot Habits and Developing Soft Skills

06:39 - Getting Academic Probation for Breaking Into Shea

09:25 - The Difference Between Chamber Musicians and Jazz Players

11:47 - Forming the Electric Guitar Quartet

14:22 - The Intensity of Performing John Zorn's Game Pieces

18:39 - A Shattered iPad During a Solo Bagatelle

20:09 - A Weird Mother's Day Encounter with John Zorn

22:23 - Playing "Rugby" at The Kitchen

23:22 - Translating Laurie Spiegel's Electronic Scores

26:50 - The Pretentious Venice Biennale Concert

28:37 - Blasting White Noise for Sensory Deprivation Music

33:03 - The $100 Vintage Japanese Guitar Project

35:15 - Learning Tuvan Throat Singing in a Trader Joe's Milk Cooler

37:37 - Discovering "Genghis Blues" and Ham Radio Harmonics

41:56 - Teaching Music in Newark to Kids Who Don't Listen to Music

44:29 - Replacing Standard Notation with YouTube QR Codes

49:49 - Why Good Guitarists Secretly Have Mental Disorders

51:13 - Missing the Grit of the Old Stone

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Drummer Sam Ospovat discusses his technical evolution and the historical weight of performing with masters like Cecil Taylor. He breaks down the differences between the New York and Nordic music communities, the creation of his project Blight Music in a Brooklyn warehouse, and the discipline required to maintain a creative voice across different continents.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 - Intro: The difficulty of moving to New York
• 01:13 - Formative years at UC Santa Cruz
• 04:16 - Mills College: An incubator for the avant-garde
• 05:32 - Two weeks with Cecil Taylor: Focus and improvisation
• 08:12 - Moving to NYC and the influence of mentors
• 11:46 - Relocating to Finland and the Nordic scene
• 19:07 - Classical music as a Finnish national identity
• 26:19 - Rhythmic ratios: Composing with prime numbers
• 29:39 - Virtuosity and the feeling of total abandon
• 32:11 - The "Blight Music" concept and the warehouse scene
• 39:51 - Writing for non-specialists in complex structures
• 44:19 - Timbre and the intellectual component of music
• 50:13 - The Brooklyn warehouse and the Blight Music festival
• 56:10 - Identifying the true originals in the current era
• 1:03:59 - How to find Sam Ospovat’s music

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Alan and Lindsay Bjorklund explore the decade-long journey of the album Not Your Grandfather’s Jazz featuring Tyshawn Sorey, Matt Mitchell, Jeremy Viner, Travis Reuter, and Kim Cass. They break down the band history of Smirk, the process of recording world-class improvisers at GSI Studios, and why they chose to build an independent platform for creative music.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro: Reflecting on the label’s first release

01:00 - The origins of Smirk (2011 at Ibeam)

02:00 - Smirk vs. Face: Electric and Acoustic quintets

04:14 - Expanding to a sextet with Matt Mitchell

09:29 - Personnel rotations and sub-players

11:44 - Writing specifically for the 5-string electric bass

12:04 - Bass chemistry with Tyshawn Sorey

15:28 - Meeting Tyshawn Sorey and early collaborations

19:51 - Inside the 2017 GSI recording session

22:38 - The decision to fund a project and start a label

25:58 - Interconnectedness: The Merry Poppins session

30:05 - The Nublu release gig and the live energy

31:14 - Tyshawn’s perfectly timed stick drop

32:39 - Nostalgia for the 55 Bar and intimate spaces

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Bassist Kevin Scott shares lessons from the road and the technical secrets of playing "out" while keeping the pocket. From touring with Gov't Mule to the manifestation stories that led to playing with his idols, Kevin discusses the necessity of artistic sacrifice and the "Dancing Poodle" analogy that defines the industry landscape.

Timestamps:

00:00 - The reality of the professional music environment

00:26 - Touring with a "Raccoon Ambassador"

03:49 - Tour Hacks: Bus etiquette and sideman logistics

08:34 - Maintaining health and gym routines on the road

09:53 - Resonant Paths: Hiring Greg Osby and Ryan Clackner

13:42 - Manifestation: Joining Warren Haynes’ solo band

20:46 - Handling nerves when playing when being a “fanboy”

28:09 - The 55 Bar legacy and the 2026 NYC scene

35:36 - Building collaborative communities through sacrifice

44:19 - Playing "out" while maintaining the pocket

49:31 - The "Abusive Partner" analogy: Double Bass vs. Electric

53:14 - Electric Bass: The history of the "Ultimate Bastard" instrument

56:26 - The Mythic Pursuit: Col. Bruce Hampton and moving to Atlanta

01:06:16 - The Dancing Poodle Analogy: Why it always wins

01:10:19 - Upcoming records with Matt Chamberlain and Ryan Clackner

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Alan and Lindsay Bjorklund join Matt Scollante to explore the intensive process of recording the new Bear Skinner album, Unobtainium. They discuss the technical challenge of live tracking during a snowstorm, the discipline of creating original audio patches, and the infrastructure required to document high-level creative music.

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Keyboardist Trevor Lagrange joins the show to discuss the evolution of his creative voice and the necessity of visual entertainment in live music. He breaks down the history of the Brooklyn loft scene, the influence of his classical training, and the mental tools he uses to master the advanced rhythms of the Bear Skinner project.

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Matt Scollante interviews Alan Bjorklund on the technical and philosophical evolution of the producer's role in creative music. Alan breaks down the high-level vision for Birch Grove Media, his specific audio choices for the band Smirk, and the expansive influences that shape the label's identity.

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Alan & Lindsay Bjorklund and Ryan Clackner gather in Knoxville to review a weekend of live performance. They discuss the importance of "play" in improvised sets, the local venues that support the scene, and the long-awaited reunion duo of Ryan Clackner and Tyshawn Sorey.

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Bassist Nick Jost joins Lindsay to discuss his "prepped-for-anything" mindset and the reality of the creative music scene. He breaks down his roots in St. Louis, his technical tools for learning odd meters, and why the best music comes from leaving your ego at the door.

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