Former Ball State Football Strength Coach David Feeley used to say that "Close Only Counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades," so while the Cardinals are pumped after their strong showing at Notre Dame Saturday, they know they still have work to do after falling short in the quest for a "W."

This week Joel and Mick recap the ND game, preview Indiana and visit with linebacker Ray Wilborn (14:00) about his career, junior college, his play at Notre Dame and more.