New York Times writer and editor Sarah Wildman’s daughter Orli was 10 when she was diagnosed with a rare liver cancer. Anderson reached out to her after reading her remarkable essays about Orli's life and death. Their conversation is thought-provoking and deeply moving.
0:00 Sarah Wildman on her daughter Orli’s cancer diagnosis
3:31 Why Orli wanted to talk about death
7:16 Why doctors didn’t say Orli was going to die
8:53 “You’re not going to get to make the memories you hoped for”
11:38 Is there an alternative to relentless hope?
13:05 Why Sarah still texts Orli’s phone
14:07 What the day of Orli’s death was like
18:38 What grief has been like since Orli’s death
20:29 Why living with grief can feel like living half a life
24:10 Why death in the West is often treated as a failure
27:42 The ways Sarah still feels Orli’s presence
31:09 The message one of Orli’s friends shared
35:43 Why Sarah doesn’t want to let go of her grief
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