"Leadership is not about being in charge. It’s about taking care of those in your charge."
— Simon Sinek
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In this episode, we explore one of the Bible's most dramatic moments — the Golden Calf. Mistakes were made, leaders failed, and followers faltered. But within this crisis lies a powerful set of lessons about leadership, followership, and the choices we make when trust is broken.
This episode is also something new — after over 230 episodes of Coaching the Bible as a solo podcast, this is my first time bringing on a guest and shifting from monologue to dialogue. It’s raw, unstructured, and takes some getting used to — but it’s rich with meaningful insights and ideas that can reshape how we think about leadership and community.
Join me and Dr. David Leitner as we unpack the missteps of Moses, Aaron, and the Israelites — and discover what this ancient story reveals about navigating uncertainty, rebuilding trust, and leading through failure.
If you've ever wondered what it takes to hold a community together when everything’s falling apart — this episode is for you.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Leadership and Followership
09:51 Understanding Followership
12:10 The Golden Calf: A Leadership Perspective
12:38 Courageous Followership and Strategic Partnerships
12:57 The Dynamics of Leadership and Followership
15:26 Moses as a Leader and Follower
18:10 The Role of Middle Management in Leadership
20:39 Connecting Biblical Narratives to Modern Leadership
24:09 Leadership and Communication in Exodus
27:59 The Role of Aaron and Leadership Void
33:41 The Dynamics of Followership
38:55 The Golden Calf Incident and Leadership Response
43:50 Understanding Followership and Its Challenges
50:02 The Power of Choice in Leadership
52:51 The Dynamics of Followership
55:53 Understanding Leadership and Free Will
59:43 Lessons from the Golden Calf Incident
01:02:58 The Interplay of Leadership and Followership
01:06:11 Redemption and Growth in Leadership
01:10:14 The Complexity of Leadership Roles
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Find Dr. Leitner here:
- https://www.drdleitner.com/