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What makes someone a good storyteller, a term thrown around loosely these days? And why do so many of us become terrible storytellers the moment we open PowerPoint?

I sit down with Sachin Bhandary of The StoryCo. for what was supposed to be an hour and became a two-hour conversation about storytelling, careers, travel, serendipity, AI and Mysuru.

Sachin's own story is anything but linear. From growing up between New Bombay and Udupi, to walking away from a corporate career and travelling across 14 countries over 18 months, and choosing to settle down in relatively quiet Mysuru, the episode traverses multiple paths.

Like I told Sachin at the end of the episode - whenever a recording runs over the time limit, I know it's a good one.

Key takeaways:

Backstories shape choices
His father’s failed businesses made him crave stability, while others chase variety to make up for their parents’ steady lives. Our career choices are never random.

Luck and serendipity matter
We often underplay how much timing, mentors, and chance encounters influence a career. Success is not only about effort.

Some key takeaways from this episode:

Backstories shape choices – Career decisions often reflect family influences; stability or risk-taking can stem from what we’ve seen at home.

In this inspiring conversation, Anil Nair — former CEO of L&K Saatchi & Saatchi — takes us on a journey from his childhood in Trivandrum to the fast-paced world of advertising and beyond. Anil reflects on the power of resilience, the thrill of motorcycling, and the importance of staying curious in a rapidly evolving job market shaped by AI.

He shares candid insights into the evolution of advertising, the pitfalls of shortcuts in creative work, and the urgent need for diversity and continuous learning. Anil also opens up about his transition from agency life to new ventures, emphasizing the value of stepping out of comfort zones, embracing change, and leading with kindness.

A must-listen for anyone navigating the intersection of creativity, leadership, and personal growth.

Currently, Anil is dabbling in multiple entrpreneurial pursuits and has just written his first book, License to Fall, Lessons From Motorcycling On Pursuing A Life Of Your Choice

In this episode, writer Janaki Lenin discusses her journey from film editing to becoming a wildlife author, her unlikely connection to Rahul Dravid, and life at the Madras Crocodile Bank. She reflects on growing up as a loner, her evolving relationship with nature, and how she met her partner, Rom Whitaker. Janaki shares insights into human-animal conflict, the overemphasis on tigers, and the impact of social media on wildlife awareness. She also offers thoughtful parenting advice on nurturing a love for nature. Tune in for a candid, thought-provoking conversation on storytelling, solitude, and living close to the wild.

In 2004, the Indian men's cricket team toured Pakistan after 15 years. It was a momentous tour, and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee is said to have told Sourav Ganguly not just to win games but also win hearts.

The Indian team did both. They won the test and ODI series. On their return home, some of them had to be ushered out of the airport secretly because of the teeming crowds outside.

Sport and politics are closely related in the subcontinent. That tour was conducted to create a feel-good factor of sorts before the general elections. A few months before, the BJP had won state elections in Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Chhattisgarh and was on a high. Prime Minister Vajpayee was the only one skeptical of the 'feel-good factor'.

"Jaswant Singh looked at me and said 'there goes your campaign'."

Prathap Suthan, then the National Creative Director of Grey advertising, led the campaign. He says the 'India Shining' campaign was designed for urban India and people with money to spend. It wasn't a campaign for the masses. He narrates an interesting cricket match-related incident: India was playing Australia in an ODI series, and Sehwag was going hammer and tongs. The camera turned to a person in the crowd. And what was he holding? An India Shining ad written by him. In the commentary box, Sunil Gavaskar said (paraphrasing) India is shining, alluding to the campaign slogan. It felt as if everyone in the country was caught up in the fervor.

With wins in three states in the assembly elections, the party made an error. Then Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani wanted the India Shining campaign to become the election campaign. This was the beginning of the end. Jaswant Singh, then the external affairs minister, looked at Prathap and said 'there goes your campaign' because he knew it wasn't created for the masses.

"It became a Frankenstein no one could control."

It's hard to control a juggernaut, even if it is heading in the wrong direction. When the Deputy Prime Minister issues an order, it's hard to say no, and the India Shining campaign became the election campaign - something it wasn't intended for. Then came the Aam Aadmi campaign created by Jayshree's team at Leo Burnett which sucked the wind out of the India Shining campaign.

"People were blaming me for the loss."

The BJP made tactical blunders ahead of the polls, beginning with preponing them by six months. The decision to go with a campaign not created for the masses was another blunder. But it's easy to blame the person who created the campaign instead of those in power, and Prathap was at the receiving end of this.

"We believed in the campaigns when working on them.

Both Jayshree and Prathap said they believed in the campaigns fully when working on them. Both of them have been at the receiving end of trolls, and Prathap said he also received threats when working on the campaign. When I asked them if it is important to believe in a political party's ideology before working for them, both said it's important to see it professionally and not get emotionally caught up. Jayshree says even if the BJP had called her, she would have worked on the campaign with a full heart.

Today, Prathap no longer works on political campaigns as he finds it too murky.

The late Hal Riney, one of advertising's most legendary copywriters, wrote the campaign for Ronald Reagan's re-election campaign in 1984. Apparently, President Reagan teared up when he saw 'It's morning in America' for the first time.

Memorable political campaigns are a rarity, and working on a General Election campaign is even rarer.

Jayshree Sundar was the branch head of Leo Burnett when her office got the chance to pitch for the Congress party's campaign for the 2004 General Elections. They assumed it to be a prank until they realized it wasn't. And life would never be the same again.

"I just got by"

Jayshree's early years weren't remarkable. In her own words, she just got by. But that was just a decoy for her later years which made up for her supposed lack of achievement in her early years. She went on to a top college and joined Lintas, which was and still is one of India's most renowned ad agencies.

"We went with one idea and sold it"

It’s hard to reconcile with the advertising era of the 80s and 90s when agencies were seen as partners of the clients and not mere vendors. Jayshree says they would go to meetings confidently with one idea, a solid strategy, and sell it. She also speaks fondly about her time at Lintas where she got to work in offices across the country - Kolkata, Chennai, and Delhi. Eventually, a slew of circumstances caused her to move on and join Leo Burnett. She describes the difference between the two agencies as one leading with strategy (Lintas) and the other being more creative focused (Leo Burnett). This allowed her to experience both ends of the spectrum. It was also here that she got to work on the General Election campaign for the Congress Party in 2004.

“Politicians learn very fast"

A political party isn’t your typical client. You are dealing with people who can shape policy and the direction of the country if elected. When I asked her if one needed to believe in the party before working on an election campaign, she says you need to be professional irrespective of political affiliation. In the course of the conversation, she says she dealt with Jairam Ramesh, Salman Khurshid, and Motilal Vora regularly. They were also tasked with proof-checking copy over and above the agency. For instance, Manmohan Singh (who would become Prime Minister after the election) would check Gurmukhi translation, Pranab Mukherjee (who would hold multiple portfolios like Defence, Finance and eventually become President of the country) would check Bengali translation. These things don’t happen on regular brand work, however big the brand.

Another surprising thing was that contrary to perception, the politicians she encountered were always on time and it was the agency folks huffing and puffing to be on time to meetings. With the ‘Aam Aadmi’ campaign, the Congress party punctured the ‘India Shining’ campaign and the Congress, under the aegis of the UPA, came back to power. Months of sleeping for 3-4 hours a day culminated in victory. In 2007, Jayshree walked away from advertising to spend more time with family and also because of the changing nature of the industry where agencies were treated more like vendors.

Today, Jayshree is an author, teacher, and raconteur of tales. In fact, it was a lecture where she was speaking about the 2004 election campaign that triggered this. She overshot the time by more than an hour but the class still sat in rapt attention. In an age where presentations give competition to sleeping ills in terms of putting people to sleep, her presentation was an antithesis.

One day, I hope to sneak into a class where she is teaching and listen.

While doing his MBA, Sumanto taught to support himself financially. Young and nervous, he was a target for trouble makers. Then one incident changed everything. 

After completing his Master's, Sumanto did an MBA. Here, he taught students to support himself financially. It also taught him a life lesson. 

If you type Sumanto Chattopadhyay's name in Google, he is described as an actor. And by his admission, he has a lot of people asking him about his blink and miss role in the popular movie - Piku.

If you type 'English Nut' on Youtube, you'll see Sumanto in another avatar - simplifying phrases and words and English. You'll also catch him interviewing the likes of Shashi Tharoor and Ruskin Bond. The page has a loyal following (and over 140k followers). The best part? It's not clickbait. No trends are being chased, and no trending music is being used. It's genuine, honest content - an oasis of sense in a sea of mindlessness.

And, finally, he also happens to have a day job as one of India's most well-recognized Creative Chiefs. He's been a part of the Ogilvy system for most of his career and today is Chairman of ad agency 82.5, Ogilvy's second agency.

"I wanted to delay working as much as possible"

Advertising is (or was) the confluence of misfits, and Sumanto is no different. That is precisely why he didn't stop with one Master's Degree but has two. During his MBA, he studied advertising and realized he could make a career in it. Another aside - he won a slogan competition in college and won a trip to France to be a part of Bastille Day. The trip never came to fruition on account of an Air Traffic Controllers Strike.

"I knew it wasn't a passing fad"

Advertising, like any industry, has seen a world of change over the last decade. Established agencies are competing with hotshot freelancers and influencers for attention and have been accused of not keeping up with the times. Sumanto says he started the English Nut because he loved the English language and it gave him a chance to understand a new medium better. Going by the popularity of his Youtube channel, it looks like he has found an alternative career, leave alone understanding a new medium.

"If the right role comes along, I'll jump into it"

Movies and advertising have always been a kind of unholy matrimony —many advertising professionals dream of breaking through the film industry at some point. Sumanto's peers like Prasoon Joshi, Balki, Rensil D'Silva and Juhi Chaturvedi have already made the leap.

But Sumanto is a little different - instead of directing or writing scripts, he's been in front of the camera. He's honing his craft and has taken acting lessons in this regard (you can see the rub-off effect in the English Nut videos).

He also let me in on another secret - he's now working on a book (I reckon he finally got tired of writing forwards for other people's books).

With no more rungs to climb on the advertising ladder, he says he's looking to take his acting more seriously.

And we'll all wait to see how this script unfolds.

PS: I mispronounced Sumanto's name for most of the podcast but being the person he is, he corrected me only in the end.

Sorry for that, Sumanto and thanks for sharing your journey with us.

Check out The English Nut page here: 

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheEnglishNut/videos