Come Rain or Shine

Come Rain or Shine

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  • Teaching Science Through Agriculture and Place Based Learning

    Science education is critical in responding to future challenges, both in building awareness in our community and also building the skills to respond to some of our most pressing climate-related challenges, such as drought and water scarcity, wildfire, and food production under climate extremes. In this episode we speak with Dr. Stephanie Bestelmeyer, executive director of Asombro Institute for Science Education in Las Cruces, NM, and Dr. Kristy Ehlers, Director of School Partnerships for El Reno Public Schools and BlueSTEM AgriLearning Center in El Reno, Oklahoma, to learn about how they provide K-12 science education through programs that are grounded in agriculture, the natural world, and place-based learning. Image created using graphics by Kidaha and Venita Oberholster from Pixabay.

    Relevant Links:

    BlueSTEM Agrilearning Center

    Free resources from Asombro Institute for Science Education


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    Come Rain or Shine affiliate links:
    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/

    37 min
  • Precipitation Intensity: Research, Challenges, and Opportunities

    Last month we heard from two experts on drought and aridity; this month we’re covering the other end of the spectrum and focusing on precipitation intensity and heavy downpours in the Southwestern US. Two hydrologic modelers, Dr. Dave Goodrich and Dr. Eleonora Demaria, discuss their research on intense precipitation events, as well as some of the implications of observed trends, associated challenges, and perhaps surprising opportunities. Image credit: Hans, Pixabay.

    Publications mentioned during interview:

    Demaria, E.M., Hazenberg, P., Scott, R.L., Meles, M.B., Nichols, M. and Goodrich, D., 2019. Intensification of the North American Monsoon rainfall as observed from a long‐term high‐density gauge network. Geophysical Research Letters, 46(12), pp.6839-6847.

    Zhang, F., Biederman, J.A., Dannenberg, M.P., Yan, D., Reed, S.C. and Smith, W.K., 2021. Five decades of observed daily precipitation reveal longer and more variable drought events across much of the western United States. Geophysical Research Letters, 48(7), p.e2020GL092293.

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    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    52 min
  • Megadrought and Aridity

    Megadrought is a term we’ve been hearing a lot of lately, with, as we find out from one of our guests, somewhat varying definitions. The term megadrought is generally used to describe the length of a drought, and not its acute intensity. A related term, aridity, is the degree to which climate lacks effective, life-promoting moisture. Simply put, aridity is permanent, while drought is temporary. But when drought extends multiple decades, as we are currently experiencing, is it actually aridification? We interviewed two experts in drought and aridification, Dr. Connie Woodhouse and Dr. Mike Crimmins, to talk about these different terms, and discuss the changes they have been observing, and hearing about from managers and ranchers in the Southwest.

    Episode Image credit: U.S. Drought Monitor - West. National Drought Mitigation Center; U.S. Department of Agriculture; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (2022). United States Drought Monitor. University of Nebraska-Lincoln. https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?West. Accessed 2022-09-06.

    Links and publications mentioned during the interview:

    Woodhouse, C. A., & Overpeck, J. T. (1998). 2000 years of drought variability in the central United States. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 79(12), 2693-2714.

    Gangopadhyay, S., Woodhouse, C.A., McCabe, G.J., Routson, C.C. and Meko, D.M., 2022. Tree rings reveal unmatched 2nd century drought in the Colorado River Basin. Geophysical Research Letters, 49(11), p.e2022GL098781.

    Climate Assessment for the Southwest website.


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    Come Rain or Shine affiliate links:
    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    48 min
  • Mike Hoffmann on Our Changing Menu: How Climate Change Affects the Foods We Grow

    We interview Dr. Mike Hoffmann about climate change and the foods we love and need. Dr. Hoffmann is one of the authors of Our Changing Menu, a book published in 2021 about a complicated and nuanced topic – how climate change is impacting our food supply.


    Relevant Links & Promo Codes:

    Our Changing Menu website: https://www.ourchangingmenu.com/ 

    Promo code for 40% off the book if ordered from Cornell Press: 09SAVE

    Promo code for discount on eCornell Climate Change Leadership course: CORNELL100


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    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    32 min
  • Assessing Climate Change Vulnerability of Navajo Nation Forests

    Warming temperatures can exacerbate forest drought stress, reducing defenses to bark beetle outbreaks, wildfire, and tree diseases. Concern about losses within the forests of the Navajo Nation due to these stressors led to a partnership between the Navajo Forestry Department and a diverse group of scientists to assess the vulnerability of Navajo forests to climate change and develop strategies to promote forest resilience to drought and extreme fire behavior. Here we speak with Principal Investigator Dr. Margaret Evans, and forestry consultant Jaime Yazzie, to learn more about this project.


    Relevant Links:

    Forest Monitoring and Tree Ring Data to Inform Forest Management on the Navajo Nation

    CASC Project Explorer: Forest Monitoring and Tree Ring Data to Inform Forest Management on the Navajo Nation 

    Building Authentic Collaborations With Tribal Communities: A Living Reference for Climate Practitioners


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    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    49 min
  • Behind the Scenes of the IPCC Sixth Assessment Report

    Dr. Carolyn Enquist and Dr. Dave Gutzler discuss the making of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Sixth Assessment Report, particularly the Working Group II section that presents an assessment of the impacts of, and vulnerabilities and adaptations to, climate change, of which both were authors. They share with us the scope and purpose of the report, applicability for resource managers and other decision-makers, what some of the terminology means, and more. Please note - this podcast episode is NOT a summary of the sixth assessment report’s findings. If you are interested in a quick summary of the findings, we encourage you to check out the FAQ documents linked below.

    Relevant Links:

    IPCC website: https://www.ipcc.ch/ 

    Working Group I Fact Sheets

    Working Group II Fact Sheets

    Working Group II FAQs documents


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    Come Rain or Shine affiliate links:
    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    44 min
  • Assessing Risk When Relocating Species

    Continuing our series on managing for ecosystem transformation, we sit down with Dr. Mark Schwartz, a plant ecologist at UC Davis, and Aviv Karasov-Olson, a PhD candidate at UC Davis, to discuss a new tool for assessing the biotic risks associated with a managed relocation project (also referred to as assisted migration). Managed relocation is the act of deliberately relocating, or translocating, a species outside of its historic range to meet conservation goals, especially in response to climate change. Image credit: USFWS Midwest Region.

    Relevant links:

    National Park Service: Managed Relocation (Includes links to both the report and the worksheet described in this episode)

    Karasov‐Olson, Aviv, et al. "Co‐development of a risk assessment strategy for managed relocation." Ecological Solutions and Evidence 2.3 (2021): e12092.



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    Come Rain or Shine affiliate links:
    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    43 min
  • Managing for Change: California’s Giant Sequoias

    How are extreme events transforming sequoia forests in the western US.? And what are land managers doing about it? Dr. Christy Brigham, Chief of Resources Management and Science at Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks, and Dr. Joanna Nelson, Director of science and conservation planning with Save the Redwoods League, visited with us to share their knowledge and experiences working to conserve these iconic trees. Image credit: Pixabay

    Relevant links:
    Sequoia and Kings Canyon - National Park Service
    Save the Redwoods League
    Giant Sequoia Lands Coalition

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    Come Rain or Shine affiliate links:
    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    36 min
  • Forest Transformation in the Southwest

    Impacts from rapid climate change are challenging traditional land & wildlife management strategies that were based on a stable baseline condition. In some locations we are already observing early-stage ecosystem reorganization in response to historic land management practices combined with recent novel climate stresses. Dr. Craig Allen and Dr. Nate Stephenson discuss how the convergence of climate stress, human land use patterns and histories, and disturbance trends in the southwestern United States are leading to forest ecosystem changes and transformation. Image source: Pixabay.

    Papers mentioned during the interview:

    Allen, C.D., Macalady, A.K., Chenchouni, H., Bachelet, D., McDowell, N., Vennetier, M., Kitzberger, T., Rigling, A., Breshears, D.D., Hogg, E.T. and Gonzalez, P., 2010. A global overview of drought and heat-induced tree mortality reveals emerging climate change risks for forests. Forest ecology and management, 259(4), pp.660-684.

    Janzen, D., 1998. Gardenification of wildland nature and the human footprint. Science, 279(5355), pp.1312-1313.

    Millar, C.I., Stephenson, N.L. and Stephens, S.L., 2007. Climate change and forests of the future: managing in the face of uncertainty. Ecological applications, 17(8), pp.2145-2151.

    Milly, P.C., Betancourt, J., Falkenmark, M., Hirsch, R.M., Kundzewicz, Z.W., Lettenmaier, D.P. and Stouffer, R.J., 2008. Stationarity is dead: whither water management?. Science, 319(5863), pp.573-574.

    Bioscience. January 2022 Issue (RAD spotlight)


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    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 

    59 min
  • Sustainability In Beef Supply Chains

    A discussion around sustainability challenges and opportunities within the U.S. beef supply chain. Our guest for this episode is Dr. Sheri Spiegal, a rangeland scientist with the Jornada Experimental Range and Co-PI of the Sustainable Southwest Beef Project. Dr. Spiegal shares insights with us from her ongoing research on beef supply chains, trade offs, and producing “socially acceptable beef”. The Sustainable Southwest Beef Project is supported by USDA NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853.


    Relevant links and resources:
    August 1st, 2020 episode (for background info):
    The Sustainable Southwest Beef Project
    The Sustainable Southwest Beef Project website:
    https://southwestbeef.org/ 


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    Come Rain or Shine affiliate links:
    DOI Southwest CASC:
    https://www.swcasc.arizona.edu/
    USDA Southwest Climate Hub:
    https://www.climatehubs.usda.gov/hubs/southwest
    Sustainable Southwest Beef Project  (NIFA Grant #2019-69012-29853):
    https://southwestbeef.org/

    29 min

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