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• 'I’ve come to realize that the main barrier to my re-education, and I might not be the only one in this situation, is… ‘me’. My personality, my baggage and that the solution, simply, is to let it go. To release it.'

Claude Schryer, October 26, 2021, Vancouver

e74 letting go – laisser aller was recorded on Tuesday, October 26, 2021, at 6.40am. It’s a bilingual monologue about how I’ve come to realize that the main barrier to my re-education is… ‘me’, and that the solution, simply, is to let it go. To release it. A soundwalk around the neighbourhood follows. 

Transcription of monologue (in English below but bilingual in the podcast)

conscient podcast (note: recorded robot voice says ‘you are trespassing’). I’m actually not trespassing. I’m just leaving the house here in East Vancouver. Good morning. It’s episode 74 of the conscient podcast on Tuesday, October 26, 2021. It’s 6.40am. This episode is called letting go.  

You might recall that I launched the conscient podcast in 2020 as a learning journey to explore the relationship between art and the ecological crisis, but a secondary goal of the project was also to learn how to unlearn and how to re-educate myself. 

My main objective with the conscious podcast is both to learn more about the issues of the ecological transition, and the role of art, but also to learn to relearn and unlearn.

So, the learning part has gone very well – and I need to thank my brilliant guests for that - but my re-education - that unlearning - have been an uphill battle. In fact, I’m walking up a hill as I speak right now, so metaphorically, it’s a bit like that. I’m a bit out of breath. 

I’ve come to realize that the main barrier to my re-education, and I might not be the only one in this situation, is… ‘me’. My personality, my baggage, and, that the solution, simply, is to let it go. To release it. 

So I have managed to learn a lot from my interactions with my brilliant guests, but I have not really managed to unlearn. 

I realize that the main obstacle to my re-education is... 'myself'... that is, my personality and my baggage, and that the solution to this dilemma is to let it go. That is, to let go of all the baggage, including my 'personality'.

So, I’m lightening things up, this morning and future forward. Letting go, bit by bit, of that baggage. 

I feel a little lighter already. And when I need a little reminder and encouragement, I'm going to listen to this recording again and remind myself that it's all possible, one step at a time, to let go one element at a time.  

So, I feel a bit lighter already. Maybe you do as well, I don’t know. 

My plan is to listen to this recording again and again when I need a reminder, or maybe a bit of encouragement, that these things can be done, little by little.  

So, if you have time, I invite you to join me on a morning sound walk now. It’s 6.45 am. If you don’t have the time, it’s fine. We’ll catch up later, but for those who want to stay, I’m going to walk around the neighbourhood now and listen.

I feel a little lighter already. And when I need a little reminder and encouragement, I'm going to listen to this recording again and remind myself that it's all possible, one step at a time, to let go one element at a time.  

Thanks for listening. Here we go. 

East Pender Street. Vancouver, at 6.45am October 26, 2021

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Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

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I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'I feel really at the base of myself that creating anything, art, sofas, whatever it is, allows us to give of ourselves to something that may not be lasting but in the moment, that act of creation can engender hope, can engender a sense of autonomy, a sense of possibility and we can't despair right now, we're at a tipping point, as everyone is saying and the question for me is how do we find the energy alone and collectively to keep moving in this urgency that we're all feeling without drowning in despair. I think art has an essential role to play in that agenda.'

Judith Marcuse, October 24, 2021, BC

Notes

Transcript of excerpt from 22 westerkamp at 19m22s of e73:

That awareness of how we form relationships through sound or how we can block them, I think, is just as important and it extends right into the ecological issues and into climate change. What are we putting out there when we listen to our cities humming away: that's energy, that's the voice of energy being overused, right? And can we just relate through our ears to what's happening out there? We can hear it. It's all there…

Judith and I on a walk by the beach in West Vancouver

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Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'It’s 2.29am on Sunday October 17th, 2021. I can hear the rumble of the city in the background, but the rain has stopped for a few minutes. Yesterday, I walked by the People’s Coop Bookstore on Commercial Avenue in Vancouver and thought I saw a new book by Richard Wagamese in the corner of my eye. How could this be? The title was What Comes From Spirit. My heart was pounding. Could this be a new book from my favorite author, who tragically passed away in 2017?'

Claude Schryer, October 17th, 2021. Vancouver

It’s 2.29am on Sunday October 17th, 2021. I can hear the rumble of the city in the background, but the rain has stopped for a few minutes. 

Yesterday, I walked by the People’s Coop Bookstore on Commercial Avenue in Vancouver and thought I saw a new book by Richard Wagamese in the corner of my eye. How could this be? The title was What Comes From Spirit. My heart was pounding. Could this be a new book from my favorite author, who tragically passed away in 2017? 

Yes, it was, and it was their last copy. I told my wife Sabrina that this was a gift and a signal for me to deepen my journey of ‘radical listening’ in season 3 of this podcast. 

I picked up the book and held it in my hand like a precious stone, feeling it’s weight, admiring the design and flipping through the pages…

The store clerk told me they had already ordered more copies. I was happy to hear that. Thank to People’s Coop bookstore. 

So here I am, it’s now 2.33am and I’m having trouble sleeping due to jet lag from our trip from Ottawa a couple of days ago but also because I am excited to read this book. It starts with Drew Hayden Taylor’s introduction who said :

the literary gods indeed must be feeling benevolent.

Hayden Taylor articulates what I have always felt about Wagamese’s writing: 

Richard’s magical tales, in whatever form, had that power to change the world. And they did. 

They certainly did for me. I agree, Drew, that we can feel Wagamese’s pain and joy, his confusion and understanding in his writing and that we do indeed come away better from it. 

For example, this excerpt from page 180 of Wagamese’s unfinished novel Starlight: 

She focused on that tiny point of light and pushed her hearing out through it. 

I love that sentence. 

Drew ends his introduction by saying that:

if you are holding this book, you are obviously a devotee.

Well, yes, I am. 

He suggests that we ‘don’t read the book too fast’. I won’t. He suggests that we ‘soak it in.’ That I will but now I need to get to bed. 

Thank you Drew, for your insightful introductory note and thanks to publishers Douglas and McIntyre for this precious book, as the world ponders climate emergency at COP 26 in just a few days, I am grateful that we have one more Richard Wagamese book to anchor us in hope, hope, in its truest sense hope, which is offer a positive vision for our world and how to live each moment in an interconnected way. 

I want to thank Richard Wagamese. I hope you can hear me, for being a spiritual guide to many, including me. I feel your presence in my life, whispering in my ear at just the right time and in the right way.

I won’t read any excerpts from the book tonight. Rather, I invite you to discover any of Wagamese’s writings. Many are accessible through your local public library. 

I think this conscient podcast episode will be my shortest ever. My goal here was to share my excitement about discovering What Comes From Spirit today but also to tell you about the deep feeling of calm that this book brings me. We should never underestimate the power of art to transform our lives… 

I’ll end by quoting Wagamese from episode 19 of the conscient podcast. This is from his novel For Joshua, which regular listeners of this podcast might have heard a few times before, but I think is timely to share here and now. 

Thanks for listening. 

We may not relight the fires that used to burn in our villages, but we carry the embers from those fires in our hearts and learn to light new fires in a new world. We can recreate the spirit of community we had, of kinship, of relationship to all things, of union with the land, harmony with the universe, balance in living, humility, honesty, truth, and wisdom in all of our dealings with each other.

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Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'The Green Sessions was invented because this small group of people got together and decided we wanted to do something that created impact. I'm really interested in new and more opportunities for us to collaborate as a sector and putting people into focus and a place of knowledge on this agenda'

Emma Stenning, former Executive Director, SoulPepper theatre company

Complete excerpt

The Green Sessions was invented because this small group of people got together and decided we wanted to do something that created impact and we put really a fairly modest amount of money behind it, and a huge amount of hours of time and passion. I'm so, so proud of the impact. For me, there's a big lesson, which is, you know, small group of committed people can really make a difference. I think on this agenda that is really, really encouraging for all of us and that has been very, very inspiring for me. On the, on the flip side, I think what I sent at the green sessions is actually the power that we hold as a community and actually the feeling that our sector is in dialogue about this most, most urgent issue is very, very uplifting and very powerful. I'm just really interested in new and more opportunities for us to collaborate as a sector and putting people into focus and a place of knowledge on this agenda, because that really was a starting hypothesis, which is that our sector needs literacy and confidence in order to step forward with impact and that was our mission. We have scratched the surface of that but I'm very proud of the contribution that we've made and I've very encouraged to do more.

Emma Stenning, e71 green sessions debrief, october 1, 2021

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Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'We make choices by not making choices And we live with unbearable consequences We hear alarm bells, but do not respond We cling to uncertainty like a sad song We act as if unaware and innocent We are cognitively dissonant' 

Claude Schryer, September 28, 2021, Duhamel, QC

one step at a time

(September 28, 2021)

We make choices by not making choices 

And we live with unbearable consequences 

We hear alarm bells, but do not respond

We cling to uncertainty like a sad song 

We act as if unaware and innocent 

We are cognitively dissonant

We write feeble poems, like this one, to lessen our pain 

We accept our fate and wait for the last day 

We know that exploitation is the cause

And we know that we are it’s children

We try to change our ways but the draw is too strong 

We are so comfortable, so selfish and so tragically wrong 

We know that one day soon we will have to tell our kids

That we knew far too much and did far too little

We think that art can change the world if only we listened 

But we know that listening is an inconvenient truth

We made a choice by not choosing 

And now we live with the consequences 

And yet, we know that it’s never too late to start a new

We know, deep inside, that this, is true 

One step at a time 

One step at a time

Stop, listen

One step at a time 

One more step at a time

Stop, listen more deeply 

One step at a time 

One step. Stop. Listen.

Me recording a monologue while I walking in the forest...

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Note : I'm currently 'pressing pause' and am not producing new content until further notice. 

Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'It's 4 56 am on Tuesday, rather than Wednesday, September 29th. I'm about to do something I've never done before, a soundwalk in the dark. I wanted to share with you this experience of walking in the dark and see what happens.'

Claude Schryer, September 29, 2021, Duhamel QC

You’ll hear two excerpts from season 2 of the conscient podcast in this episode:

e22 westerkamp

(Claude Schryer)

I'm interested to know, for instance, around sound walking, you've recorded them, and you use them as stimulants or as proposals to people. What, what does that bring the person experiencing it? What is your intention when you create a soundwalk piece, or an electroacoustic composition with soundscapes? What are you hoping will happen in the experience of the listener?

(Hildegard Westerkamp)

I think I would like them to experience what I did. The microphone, when you first experienced listening to what the microphone hears, it's very different to what the ear hears and when you hear that over your headphones into your own ears, there is a wake-up call there and it's inspirational. And, when I first began the sound walking radio program here in Vancouver, which is now a long time ago in 79,  I was very interested in letting the microphone guide me through the environment and my own listening to what the microphone was picking up was then leading me through the city that and it was, yes, I had lived in it for 10 years already, but I was still somewhere in immigrant. It empowered me actually to walk into places that I wouldn't have walked into with just my ears, just a person. So, the technology, and maybe because I am a woman, the technology gave me a sense of empowerment. I would walk into all sorts of spaces and sometimes I was asked what I was doing, and I had to get permission perhaps or not, but, for me, it was a way into the wilderness too. I think I've always felt that this wonder at what you hear when you really listen and the surprises that you're met with, or the surprises that you get from what you're recording. And because we in daily life, we often preoccupied, and we don't always listen. The microphone gives you the opportunity to just specialize in listening and sound works without microphones can do the same thing. You have to just have the intent of that. Listening. Having always been a very busy and restless person, the microphone kind of allowed me to settle into that listening. And eventually I really didn't want the microphone that much anymore because I felt a separation between that very private listening inside the soundscape but see where at the same time cut off from your social environment by doing that. After a while, I wanted to get rid of the microphones and then just really engaged in that listening as if my ears were a microphone…

do not listen to this episode : a special edition episode (published but not identified) 

This is a special edition of the conscient podcast called ‘don’t listen to this episode’. The idea came to me while biking. I thought, what if I stated, over and over, that people need to wake up to the reality of the climate emergency. you know, with my slow conscient podcast voice: ‘people. need. to wake up. to the reality. of the climate emergency.’  But it would be pointless because people already know that they need to wake up to the reality of the climate emergency.  Repeating it, over and over, is actually counterproductive, and boring.  People would probably tune out and all that would be left are these words that have no value whatever. But then I thought, on the other hand, what was it that John Cage once said 

If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all. 

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Note : I'm currently 'pressing pause' and am not producing new content until further notice. 

Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'I think the transformation of knowledge is really important. What we can do from our generation to the next is try and help prepare them for the impacts of climate change, but it doesn't have to be all doom and gloom…'

Andrew Davies, September 26, 2021

e68 andrews davies and no. 9 gardens is a conversation that I recorded on September 26th 2021, in one take, while in a yurt with Andrew Davies, Director of No 9 Gardens, near Kingston, Ontario. We talked about the art and environment, reconciliation, yurts, education, passing on knowledge and the joys of farming and art making. 

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Note : I'm currently 'pressing pause' and am not producing new content until further notice. 

Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'I've been thinking about decolonization and reconciliation and other issues in our relations with indigenous communities. I was reading the 'wanna be an ally' poem the other day that really affected me positively but also emotionally and I wanted to read it to you.'

Claude Schryer, Duhamel QC

Transcription of monologue 

conscient podcast, episode 67, ‘wanna be an ally’ I've been thinking about decolonization and reconciliation and other issues in our relations with indigenous communities. I was reading a text the other day that really affected me positively but also emotionally and I wanted to read it to you. If you remember last episode, I talked about the idea of radical listening. Well, this is a type of radical listening in the sense that each of these words are, I think very meaningful and important for us all to consider. It's from a document called Towards Braiding by Elwood Jimmy and Vanessa. Andreotti written in collaboration with Sharon Stein and it's published by the Musagetes Foundation. I'd like to start by thanking them all for this a very important document that essentially talks about how to and proposes how to engage indigenous and non-indigenous relations in an institutional setting and, principles and methods, to consider. It's very well-written and I recommend a strongly as something to read and something to do, but for now, I'll just read this poem, on page 39 of the document and, and leave it at that for today because, it's already a lot to consider and as we listen more radically, that means just sitting back and listening with our full attention and openness of mind. So here it is.

• don’t do it for charity, for feeling good, for looking good, or for showing others that you are doing good 
• don’t do it in exchange for redemption from guilt, for increasing your virtue, for appeasing your shame, for a vanity award 
• don’t put it on your CV, or on Facebook, or in your thesis, don’t make it part of your brand, don’t use it for self-promotion 
• don’t do it as an excuse to keep your privileges, to justify your position, to do everything except what would be actually needed to change the terms of our relationship 
• do it only if you feel that our pasts, presents and futures are intertwined, and our bodies and spirits entangled 
• do it only if you sense that we are one metabolism that is sick, and what happens to me also happens to you 
• do it recognizing that you have the luxury of choice to participate or not, to stand or not, to give up your weekend or not, whereas others don’t get to decide 
• don’t try to “mould” me, or to “help” me, or to make me say and do what is convenient for you 
• don’t weaponize me (“I couldn’t possibly be racist”) don’t instrumentalize me (“my marginalized friend says”) don’t speak for me (“I know what you really mean”)
  don’t infantilize me (“I am doing this for you”) 
• don’t make your actions contingent on me confiding in you, telling you my traumas, recounting my traditions, practicing your idea of “right” politics, or performing the role of a victim to be saved by you or a revolutionary that can save you 
• and expect it to be, at times, incoherent, messy, uncomfortable, difficult, deceptive, paradoxical, repetitive, frustrating, incomprehensible, infuriating, boring and painful — and prepare for your heart to break and be stretched 
• do you still want to do it? 
• then share the burdens placed on my back, the unique medicines you bring, and the benefits you have earned from this violent and lethal disease 
• co-create the space where I am able to do the work that only I can and need to do for all of us 
• take a step back from the centre, the frontline from visibility relinquish the authority of your interpretations, your choice, your entitlements, surrender that which you are most praised and rewarded for 
• don’t try to teach, to lead, to organize, to mentor, to control, to theorize, or to determine where we should go, how to get there and why 
• offer your energy to peel potatoes, to wash the dishes, to scrub the toilets, to drive the truck, to care for the babies, to separate the trash, to do the laundry, to feed the elders, to clean the mess, to buy the food, to fill the tank, to write the grant proposal, to pay the tab and the bail 
• to do and support things you can’t and won’t understand,
  and do what is needed, instead of what you want to do, without judgment, or sense of martyrdom or expectation for gratitude, or for any kind of recognition 
• then you will be ready to sit with me through the storm with the anger, the pain, the frustration, the losses, the fears, and the longing for better times with each other 
• and you will be able to cry with me, to mourn with me, to laugh with me, to “heart” with me, as we face our shadows, and find other joys, in earthing, breathing, braiding, growing, cooking and eating, sharing, healing, and thriving side by side 
• so that we might learn to be ourselves, but also something else, something that is also you and me, and you in me, and neither you nor me 

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Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'I’m interested in doing episodes that are in the moment, unedited moments of thinking out loud and not thinking too much because the rest of my body is working at soaking in this space.'

Claude Schryer, Duhamel QC

e66 stillness is a monologue that I recorded on September 14th, 2021, in one take, while sitting still in a kayak in a shallow bay on the Preston River, in Duhamel Québec where I talk about stillness, not-thinking and what I am hearing and feeling at that moment. This recording includes quotes from an unpublished episode of simplesoundscapes from 2016 and #conscientpodcast e19 reality.

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Note : I'm currently 'pressing pause' and am not producing new content until further notice. 

Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026

• 'What I'm looking for, ultimately, is an anchoring point: where are we at and what can we do to ensure the continuation of life?'

Claude Schryer, Duhamel QC

(transcript)

This is Claude Schryer, conscient podcast, the first episode of season 3. I took me a while to figure out what I wanted to do in season 3, because there are so many things that podcasts can do : interviews, or you can do, monologues, but after season 2, which was pretty darn intense – BTW I'm on a kayak right now, so you can hear that - pretty darn intense : 41 interviews in French, in English, almost 30 hours of content, so I thought I'd take a break from that and just think out loud, but also do it in the moment, like I'm doing now. I think there's a lot of fleshing out of the issues that I discovered in season 2 that can be set out over time, with a bit of time with each issue, so I'll do that and maybe quote a little bit some of the people in season 2. I might also interview people once in a while if I'm feeling out of my depth, but there's something about using this forum for those who were interested, as a way to not only continue my re-education, which is, will never end in a way, but to actually share the learnings and the process - there's a duck... you hear.... di-di-di... the wings are so beautiful … - and share the process of a failure and attempts to change that didn't work, in a very straightforward kind of way, because that's life: where we make mistakes and stumble and learn and get excited and then look back and we observe that. So that's what season three will begin like as like actually can't predict what it will end, like, because, well, I'm just starting but this is the episode, what is it? I don't even know anymore because, I will have published ‘a case study’ piece. I can't remember what episode that is, but it doesn't matter, somewhere in the sixties, like me and my age… So, I'm going to continue down the river here. I wanted to thank the listeners who have hung in there with me who have listened to the conscient podcast and the first two seasons. I appreciate the time and I hope that it's useful but what I'm going to do now is, in a way, go back to what I started way back in the simplesoundscapes project, the very first season in 2016, which is not erased (I have a copy), but it's no longer publicly available. I did a series of soundscape, um, observations. I would start, each episode with a comment on the soundscape, describing it or, or talking about it, and then we'd listened to it and they'd be a 10 minute episodes and I kind of want to come back to that spontaneity and like no second takes, no preparation in the sense of scripting, just, when it feels right to speak in not too long, but long enough to say something useful and authentic and possibly provocative because I'd be provoking myself trying to push myself ever so gently into new areas of thoughts and more or less what I consider to be the truth, although, you know, in season 2, I explored reality, right, and that was, that was quite a journey and its ongoing, like, what is reality? … One thing I do know though, but about all of this is that I know what my motivation is and, some might be surprised that it keeps coming back to me very clearly that what I'm looking for, ultimately, is an anchoring point, where are we at and what can we do to ensure the continuation of life? That sounds very broad, but what I mean is I want to know what - there's a book called, All We Can Save- I want to know not only what we can save, but where we can put energy, that's going to make a difference and contribute with as much impact as possible, to life continuing, all forms of life, including human life, but not only. So, for example, the idea of short-term objectives, of trying to do projects to raise awareness.... I think we're past the point of trying to get people to wake up to the climate emergency and their ecological crisis. It's still really important work, but, in fact, we are going to crash It will be gradual and it will be worse in some places than others. In fact, I'll play an excerpt of Dr. Todd Dufresne (e21). It's one of my favorite quotes from season two, who talks about that:

Dr. Todd Dufresne (e21): 

There are a couple things around capitalism that are very important. People often will talk about how part of the cause of the crisis that we're facing is the way we live our lives and a major feature of the way we live our lives is for example, consumer capitalism, or they'll call it neo-liberalism. I think sometimes it's just important to call it what it is, is its various forms of capitalism. And to get comfortable with the idea that maybe capitalism has caused this problem, as it combines, with the history of ideas, which also support the role of capitalism place and the think that we need to find a way forward that isn't based on perpetual growth and the production, the endless production of stuff, we don't need, to maintain civilization. How do we maintain civilization moving forward without producing lots of tchotchkes and crap, how do we live meaningful, well, it's really easy: we don't need any of that stuff? Meaningful lives as we move forward, have nothing to do with tchotchkes, but there's certain things we do need, we need food, we need water, we need certain things and then we can leave, you know, meaningful, creative, decent lives that are civilized still in a different way, but maybe even more civilized in a certain way. So, the thing that I'm really interested in is: sometimes people aren't discussing how we're moving towards more and more AI and full automation. If you have full automation of the workforce, what are people going to do with their time? Well, I'll tell you one thing they're going to have to learn how to do with their time, they're going to have to be educated to become creatives in their own way, artists in their own way. It doesn't mean that if you don't want to do that, then do something else, but you're going to have to find something to do that doesn't involve toiling away for capitalism, because capitalism has been killing us. So, it's a really big, big thought. How do we get from where we are here to something in the future? I'm happy to take steps with Bernie Sanders and democratic sort of socialism, but I think we need to defang the word socialism. So, people aren't so scared of it, not as big of a deal in Canada, but because of what's happening in the world is still kind of a boogeyman for everybody. We need to think about what communism means and what it has meant in the past and maybe come up with a new word. As I say to my students, let's not talk about communism. Let's talk about communalism. We know communism has been a failure. Can we talk about some other version that maybe if we all got behind it, that would work some sort of communalism, forget, all the things that have gone wrong with communism? We need to have something like it moving forward to save us and this means we have to step away from capitalism, even as capitalism is failing and dying, in my opinion, right now, if it's not already a form of zombie capitalism, as I argue that it is. I think capitalism is over, but the problem is we have nothing to replace it with and here's where we need our artists and others to tell us what kind of vision, they have for a future that is different than that. Well, a future of play and work, meaningful work would be one future that I think is not just utopic, but very possible. So, there's a possible future moving forward that could be much better than it is right now, but we're not going to get there without democracy of suffering as we're experiencing it now. And we'll at least over the next 20, 30, 40 years until we figure this out, but we need to figure it out quickly.

Dr. Todd Dufresne

That's the idea. How do we rebuild? How do we maintain positive energy? That's what interests me and everything else seems to be less important than focusing on.... I mean, it's easy to get distracted by... we'll be okay if we just keep everything as it is, but reduce, keep it under 1.5 degrees Celsius. The problem, the real problem, what Anjali Appadurai calls... What does she call it now in episode 23? Anyway, the real problems, the othering, that's how she called it and I'll play that quote right now: 

Anjali Appadurai (e23):  

It's not exactly the role that many people think, which is that people will create some environmental art about the beauty of - and this is all important, by the way. I'm not knocking it - but it's not just art that highlights the beauty of what we want to preserve, which is the majority of the climate art that I see,, like we want to preserve this, you know, protect our coast, protect these trees, protect the bear and the whale and all of that is absolutely necessary but also we want art that can help us imagine different way of being, because ultimately what we want... Yes, we want to build back better and better doesn't mean keeping everything the way it is but with renewable energy reduced emissions, zero emissions, but the same power dynamics, that's actually not... The climate crisis and the broader ecological crisis is to me, a symptom of the deeper disease and the deeper disease, which is that rift from nature, that seed of domination and of accumulation and of greed and of the urge to dominate others through colonialism, through slavery, though, othering, the root is actually othering. That is something that artists can touch and that's what has to be healed. And when we heal that what could come of it, what does the, what does the world on the other side of that look like? And it in simpler terms, it's what does the world on the other side of adjust transition look like and I'd really like to believe it doesn't look like exactly this, but with solar. The first language that colonization sought to suppress, which was that of indigenous peoples is where a lot of the answers are held. 

Anjali Appadurai

So, the idea of othering is interesting because that's the source of the problem. Othering with different people, othering with nature so when you identify what is essentially the real reason we are in a massive ecological crisis, then it changes your approach to it so there isn't the sense of patchwork. There's a sense that we've gone too far, and we have to rethink and rebuild not only a sustainable society, but a just society. Those things are talked about a lot, but I can kind of feel that in my bones, it's actually hard to explain, but - and I know I'm a privileged person, and I know that I have lots of issues - but I am trying to get to what seems real and useful. What was that quote from my Zen teacher? I'll find it in and read it out because that's what guides my way:  
 

Zen practice shows us how to take care and take responsibility with, and as each moment, by opening attention to reality and responding to what actually needs to be done.

So. So. So... Do you hear the echo here, it's a beautiful sound on this river? I'm on the Nation, no, I’m on the Preston leading to the Nation River. What's the day today, September 13th, 2021. One of my favorite things to do in the whole world is to let this floating device go downstream and just experience that sensation of flowing down a river. A type of abandonment, so that, metaphorically, instead of swimming or paddling upriver, which we do a lot in life challenges, once in a while, you just let yourself go and let yourself go with the flow - I'm about to hit a rock here - and that flow is very, very beautiful and we just have to trust that it'll take you to the right place. So, on that note, I will leave you with this very short episode. Not the first of the third season, because that will have been 'a case study', but the first of this type of this little monologue. So, a la prochaine.

(recording: sound of paddle in kayak hittin

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Note : I'm currently 'pressing pause' and am not producing new content until further notice. 

Hey conscient listeners, 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020. It’s my way to give back.

This Indigenous Land Acknowledgement statement was developed by members of the Algonquin community for my former employer the Canada Council for the Arts. I have adapted slightly to make it my own.

• I acknowledge that my studio, located in Ottawa, is on the unceded, unsurrendered Territory of the Anishinaabe Algonquin Nation whose presence here reaches back to time immemorial.
• I recognize the Algonquins as the customary keepers and defenders of the Ottawa River Watershed and its tributaries. I honour their long history of welcoming many Nations to this beautiful territory and uphold and uplift the voice and values of our Host Nation.
• Further, I offer my respect and affirm the inherent and Treaty Rights of all Indigenous Peoples across this land and honour commitments to self-determination and sovereignty that have been made to Indigenous Nations and Peoples.
• I acknowledge the historical oppression of lands, cultures and the original Peoples in what we now know as Canada and fervently believe the Arts contribute to the healing and decolonizing journey we all share together

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.  

Your feedback is always welcome at claude [at] conscient [dot] ca and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.

Share what you like, etc

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Thanks for listening. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on March 21, 2026