Controlled Chaos with Day&Dread

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Who is on this episode:

Kurt Johnston

Justin Herman

 

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

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Who is on this episode:

Kurt Johnston

Justin Herman

Mark Oestreicher 

Stuart hall

Sean Lord

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

Go to Linktr.ee/heyjustinherman for all his links! 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking the time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

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WE ARE PART OF THE YOUTH MINISTRY PODCAST NETWORK, Link HERE!           Featuring: Controlled Chaos Podcast, Youth Ministry United, MultiMulti Podcast, The Fringe Youth Worker Podcast and Why We Stayed Podcast Great podcasts make up the Youth Ministry Podcast Network.  For more info on the network and to check out other podcasts go to youthministrypodcastnetwork.com

Go to linktr.ee/controlledchaospodcast for all our links! 

Who is on this episode:

Kurt Johnston

Justin Herman

Mark Oestreicher 

Charlie Kirk

Chris and Emily Norton

 

Student Leadership Tip #4 (Mark Oestreicher)

Consider a leadership community rather than single serving leadership teams

All the teams in one

Adult and student leaders 

Justin and Kurt--topics to teach about leadership and servanthood (9:00)

Every other week do an inner quality and outer quality of a leader (Kurt)

Teaching ownership and learning from it (be able to fess up) (Justin)

Servant leadership (Kurt)

Following up on visitors (Kurt)

Don’t be a click (Kurt)

Plan an event (Kurt)

Honesty and timeliness (Kurt)

Generosity (Kurt)

Leverage Influence (Kurt)

Compassion

On marginalized people

Don’t do it alone (Justin)

Accountability (Justin)

Skill of assessment (gifts and wiring) (Justin)

Give feedback (Justin)

 

Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA

A strong message can create a strong movement

Students are looking for a purpose to believe in

People are not correct just because they have degrees and someone else is a student

It just takes one person telling a student that they can do something good

Always ask more questions than you get asked

Don’t look at any interaction as a waste of time

1 thing to tell students—embrace failure. Everyone will fail at something

 

Links:

FREE GAMES

FREE WEBCAST

Mark Oestreicher Twitter

Charlie Kirk Twitter

Charlie Kirk Podcast

Turning Point USA

Youth Ministry Podcast Network

The Seven Longest Yards 

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking the time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Christ in Youth, our exclusive podcast partner!!!! CIY.com/chaos

WE ARE PART OF THE YOUTH MINISTRY PODCAST NETWORK, Link HERE!           Featuring: Controlled Chaos Podcast, Youth Ministry United, MultiMulti Podcast, The Fringe Youth Worker Podcast and Why We Stayed Podcast Great podcasts make up the Youth Ministry Podcast Network.  For more info on the network and to check out other podcasts go to youthministrypodcastnetwork.com

Go to linktr.ee/controlledchaospodcast for all our links! 

Who is on this episode:

Kurt Johnston

Justin Herman

Mark Oestreicher 

Kenda Creasy Dean

 

 

Mark Oestreicher 

There is no reason why student leadership should be reserved high schoolers. Give them a taste of the leadership inside them if they are willing.

If you have them combined let the jr. high lead too in it

If you have separate have one in the jr. high ministry also

You want them to participate in things that will form them in powerful ways as their identities are being formed

Excellence in Jr. High Student Leadership Justin, Kurt, and some spiders

Give them opportunities to be involved

Don’t make your excellent definition so high they cannot participate

They will be wrong, but you need to affirm them in a positive way

The best way to learn leadership is to learn it in the trenches

They love to see their friends owning things

Ask other areas if they are open to serving in other areas besides children’s ministry and jr. high ministry

It gives them another caring adult in their life

 

Kenda Dean Student Leadership

If you want kids to be engaged as adults get them engaged as children

Give them a “load-bearing” role

Don’t hold on to tight to the reigns—never do ministry alone

With a team, you can share the authority

You need a diverse team in outlook and demographics (cause that what the kids are)

You must be a trustworthy colleague

Learn to pastor your bosses (teach the kids to care for those in authority)

Learn how to do youth ministry to grown-ups.

We are good at meeting kids where they are but not adults.

Discussion Questions:

Where are our students serving?

Are we allowing middle schoolers to serve as leaders?

Does each of us have someone to do youth ministry with?

Are we meeting our adults where they are as good as we reach our students?

 

Links:

CIY WEBCAST

Mark Oestreicher Books

Mark Oestreicher Twitter

Kenda Dean Books

Kenda Dean Twitter

 

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

Go to Linktr.ee/heyjustinherman for all his links! 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking the time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Christ in Youth, our exclusive podcast partner!!!! CIY.com/chaos

Part of the Youth Ministry Podcast Network Featuring: Controlled Chaos Podcast, Youth Ministry United, MultiMulti Podcast, The Fringe Youth Worker Podcast and Why We Stayed Podcast Great podcasts make up the Youth Ministry Podcast Network.  For more info on the network and to check out other podcasts go to youthministrypodcastnetwork.com

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Who is on this episode:

Justin Herman

Kurt Johnston

Mark Oestreicher Living Legend

Amanda Anderson Author

Doug Franklin from Leader Treks

 

Did you miss the CIY magnetic ministry podcast and need the details?

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Links:

Campference

Mark-O's Twitter

Believe Tour

 

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

Go to Linktr.ee/heyjustinherman for all his links! 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking the time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Christ in Youth, our exclusive podcast partner!!!! CIY.com/chaos

Big announcement: The launch of the Youth Ministry Podcast Network Featuring: Controlled Chaos Podcast, Youth Ministry United, MultiMulti Podcast, The Fringe Youth Worker Podcastand Why We Stayed Podcast Great podcasts make up the Youth Ministry Podcast Network.  For more info on the network and to check out other podcasts go to youthministrypodcastnetwork.com

For more information about

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Places to find the podcast

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Social Media Links

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Who is on this episode:

Justin Herman

Kurt Johnston

Mark Oestreicher

Jeff Wallace 

 

Justin and Kurt “answer” questions by Scott Nolan 

How do you narrow do student leaders?

You have to know whatever model you choose may be hurting feelings of students who are not involved.

What are some topics students need to hear, discuss, and live out?

Resources for student leaders?

LeaderTreks

Student Leadership University

How do you do a student leader retreat?

Just like a camp. Decide where you want to go and tweak accordingly

Is it just for the best of the best or is everyone invited and at the end of the week do you decide if you want to promote a smaller leader retreat with the cream of the crop.

Don’t market it a fun and zany weekend.

Have students help plan the retreat

High can be the best time to develop leaders.

Size of the student leadership team?

There are options for everyone

 

Marko 5 Tips on Student Leadership (in no order) 

Some of your best student leaders are the ones who wouldn’t apply or participating. Be a competency facilitator. Identify and nurture potential

Get to know your context and students

Help the ones see the leader in themselves

You need to see the strengths in them that they cannot

Give them places to experiment with that

 

Jeff Wallace on student leadership 

Think

Discover our student’s talents and gifts—then develop it—and deploy them.

We don’t want to teach kids what to think but how to think.

We teach what we know but reproduce what we are—John Maxwell

If the IPhone is upgrading every 18 months why shouldn’t we think youth ministry is?

Help kids understand their wiring. Give personality tests.

Teach them more than the word. Teach how to live out life.

Always asses. You cannot correct what you cannot confront. Bring in someone from the outside to get an honest look and see your blind spots.

Dream

Once you teach them to think. Have them dream not only what they can do but what the ministry can do. What would you do if you knew you wouldn’t fail?

Have a youth council or leadership team and write the dreams.

You need kids who are not completely connected. The best way to reach outsiders is to know outsiders.

Vision Casting is key to get this set up.

Lead

This is a byproduct of thinking and dreaming. What happens is that they begin to become leaders that are head and shoulders above.

Random question

What about students living different outside of church?

Hold them accountable. Other students are watching you and you need to confront them. But do it with grace and respect.

 

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Discussion Questions:

Are there students who have potential but aren’t participating?

Are we being “competency facilitators”?

Are we “developing and deploying” our students?

Are we teaching kids how to think?

Are we holding them accountable? 

Links:

Campference

Mark-O's Twitter

Youth Ministry 3.0

Jeff Wallace

Student Leadership University

Student Leadership University Twitter

Believe Tour

 

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

Go to Linktr.ee/heyjustinherman for all his links! 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking the time

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Intro by Eryn Aubey, Christ in Youth

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman Host

Kurt Johnston Host

Matt Deprez Fuller Youth Institute

Jonathan Morrow Director of Cultural Engagement and Immersion at Impact 360 Institute

00:37 Welcome

01:15 We talk about Joel Olsteen

05:11 Teaching Topics

24:31 Matt Duprez, The Importnace of Grandparents

44:40 Jonathan Morrow, talking about Generationn Z

Teaching Topics with Justin and Kurt

If you could only teach 3 topics (and the first 3 don’t count)

Identity

Sex/Dating

Spiritual Gifts

Wisdom (Justin)

Life of Christ (Kurt)

Misunderstood people of the Bible (Justin)

Fruit of the Spirit (Kurt)

The “other”—a mission series on how to make disciples (Justin)

Choices and their consequences (Kurt)

Matt Deprez (Fuller Youth Institute)—Grandparents faith on young people

Proximity Matters. Faith does not go up if they are closer but it does increase faith maturity—it skyrockets if they live with 50 miles.

Technology can replace proximity in a way. Video chatting is huge and do it to eat meals together.

Grandparents shaped issues of identity, belonging, and purpose rather than spiritual discipline

You develop properly being around experts and that applies to faith too

Faith modeling is HUGE

It will shape the maturity of the child.

Reading the Bible and serving constantly helped and led to better conversations

Send pictures, stories, and verses if you do not live close 

Jonathan Morrow—Generation Z 

The first “Post-Christian” generation

10% Boomers, 7% gen x, 6% millennials, 4% gen z have a Biblical Worldview (Barna)

Oldest Gen Z is just heading into college. 2x likely as adults to identity as atheist. 34% are “nones”. 58% agree there is no one true religion

“How I feel” and “what is true for me “is their default response—they are Christian relativists

Change from feeling questions to thinking questions

Find a way to disrupt them.

Use provocative questions

Get Christianity back into the realm of reality

We need to have as sophisticated conversations in church as they are having online. There is age appropriate ways to handle these conversations.

We want to help walk them to good answers.

We cant just say nothing or they may “outgrow” their faith

Discussion Questions:

If you could teach any topic what would it be?

How are we utilizing the grandparents in our church?

Are we using “feeling” questions or “thinking” questions for our group questions?

How do we make our environments to make students feel welcome?

How are we disrupting their rhythm?

Are we having sophisticated conversations with our students?

 

Links:

FREE CIY WEBCAST

Next Gen To Go

Matt's Twitter

Jonathan's Website

Impact 360

Jonathan's Twitter

GenZ Lab

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

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Junior High Webcast coming up with Kurt and Justin on July 2, 11 am CST on building a magnetic middle school ministry. How you can be attractive and missional that kids are drawn too with a missional aspect.

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Intro by Andy Stanley

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman Host

Kurt Johnston Host

Scott Rubin, Junior High Ministry EXPERT (Kurt's best friend)

Mike Thomas, Why we Stayed Podcast

Michele Anderson, Host Talking Squirrels Podcast

Samantha, Girl World EXPERT

Dr. Andrew Root, Youth Ministry Theology EXPERT

Jeff Wallace, Student Leadership EXPERT

Why mic skills are essential with Justin and Kurt

If the audio is terrible everything is terrible no matter how good the video/graphics

If the person is ill-prepared no matter how much planning it will drain the energy of the room

Consider using a handheld—the audio quality is much better and you can use to your advantage with its distance

Students will see a potential future for themselves in the person on the microphone

Never give the mic away if you don’t know what they will say.

If you don’t know whether to use a mic or not—use a mic

You have to train people on how to be on a mic—it is not a natural thing

 

Why you should tune into the CIY webcast

It's on the internet, and the internet is awesome

Where else do you get a half hour of training for free?

This is stuff you can give to your leaders.

It is not long and drawn out (only 1 hr)

Everything is more significant (than the first) with this webcast

It will be encouraging and give you a different way of thinking about things

Scott Rubin—Director of Student Ministries at Willow Creek Church—pastoring with high school in mind

Look at them and imagine where they will be in a few years

What do we need to be thinking about?

Identify gifts in those years and put them on that track to develop it

Think ahead but do not get ahead of themselves

Give them opportunities to leverage it

Sometimes the disruptive kid is the leader. Talk to them about it

See if there is an upperclassman that they could be and have them hang around them.

Call out to them what you see in them

Engage the parents in any way that you can. Some kids might not show themselves, and parents can be a great insight.

With leaders moving up or not always remember where you are trying to get the students.

Never forget what it is like to be a teenager

Never do youth ministry alone

 

Mike Thomas—Why we stayed podcast

Everyone that has stayed/left a different story but they all have friction.

How will you respond?

When church and God are blended, they become upset with everything. Their whole idea is broken.

 

Michele Anderson—talking squirrels podcast—adolescent development

Early adolescence 10-13

It can help to tailor to how the schools do it

Reasons for a 7th-9thministry

With longer adolescence, students need more time to develop

How can we give coaching on mental development

Ask them hard questions—they can handle it

The psychological difference between boys and girls

Girls will grow faster in every way

 

Samantha—Jr. High Girls

The enemy is attacking mainly through technology. Distracting us. And taking away our identity in Jesus with something else.

Women should not prove their ability by everything that men do cause men do not do that for women.

Elizabeth Elliot—Let me be a Woman

Topics Girls need to hear

Love, Suicide/depression, homosexuality, technology

Always express love

 

Dr. Andrew Root

There are so many things that students need, does God need anything?

Don’t think that God needs anything

But He is a God that acts for us

Out of the love and inner love of the Trinity out of the surplus of their passion they reach out to share their love

God chooses

Junior High Webcast coming up with Kurt and Justin on July 2, 11 am CST on building a magnetic middle school ministry. How you can be attractive and missional that kids are drawn too with a missional aspect.

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Links from this episode:

Youth Ministry Dog

Ministry Dog Twitter

Justin on Matt Lewis's Podcast

Isaac Morehouse

Crash Your Career

Niche Down

Campference

Magnetic Junior High Ministry

 

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman LINKTREE

Kurt Johnston

Youth Ministry Dog

Matt Lewis

Isacc Morehouse

Anthony Vargas

EPISODE OUTLINE!

Junior High Webcast coming up with Justin and Kurt on July 2 11 am CST on magnetic middle school ministry. How you can be attractive and missional that kids are drawn too with a missional aspect.

How to make the game time the best it can be—Justin and Kurt (04:37)

Design it around the person with the least amount of skill in the room.

Don’t do it by gender.

Don’t try and force the game into your theme.

Don’t force the kids to participate if they don’t want to play.

Fun isn’t always games—it can be a skit or a bit on stage.

Payoff must be equal or greater than the setup.

Be clear and fair. Jr. Higher’s are justice oriented.

Once in a while figure out how to involve specials needs students

Do fun games but don’t make it the focus.

Don’t apologize for doing games. They build trust and learn teamwork.

Youth Ministry Dog (22:30)

Interview Tips (30:43 ) Matt Lewis

If you do what you say and show up and honor the commitment, you will be fine

Don’t have a scarcity mentality. Fifteen minutes can turn into hours of content when the publicist tells others you honored the agreement.

Isaac Morehouse (35:03) CEO of Crash and Founder of Praxis

Find something besides a degree to add to your resume to show your skill, and you have done something.

Intern for free to learn the skills

Do not be afraid to fail or experiment to find the solution

Dominate your niche

Two main things matter in the market place

Create Value

Prove you can create value

Don’t do things you hate

Don’t do things you are terrible at

Your resume needs to be more than bullet points

Narrow down the companies you are applying to and do something extraordinary

Find a need and show it to them (make them a Facebook page and give it to them, send them a logo if it is low resolution, offer to work for free)

Create a project that shows your skills in a tangible way

Anthony Vargas (1:02:03) 7 Jr. High Tips

Know the name of Jr. High Students, leaders, and parents.

Every Monday, pick five students and send them a letter.

Try to interact with Jr. high students five senses when teaching the Bible

Embrace their digital world

Go out and evangelize with your students. They need to see it lived out.

The feedback of students is vital.

The only thing they need from you is a heart that has been with Jesus.

 

Discussion Questions:

How are we strategically using our game time? What should we start doing, stop doing, and keep doing?

Have you/we reached out to someone outside the church for a meeting? If so did you/we honor them or leave a bad taste about you or our organization? How can you/we improve?

What is your unique intersection of skills and abilities?

Do we know all of our volunteer’s names? Do they know their kid’s names?

What have we learned from our students? When was the last time we asked them (if ever)?

 

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

Go to controlledchaos.fun/Justin for all his links! 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin!

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking the time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

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Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

 

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Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!