Garth and Bre sit down with friends Davin and Elizabeth Rayford. We talk about finding love after loss, blending families as a interracial couple with kids, and learning how grace for each other comes first from having more grace for ourselves.

Content warning: for those listening with young kids, we do briefly cover the topic of the murder of George Floyd in 2020. While it's an important part of the conversation, it may not be suitable for the youngest listeners, and we don't want anyone to be caught off guard. We discuss the importance of teaching our kids about how race affects our society, and how being in an interracial marriage has changed the ways Elizabeth and Davin have approached that topic with their kids.

How much can change in just two years? This is something Bre would remind Katie any time she felt stuck in the years between college and finding her husband, Matt. In the past two years we've all experienced how quickly life can change together worldwide. In that time, Matt and Katie had plenty of big life changes all their own.

Garth and Bre Strobel have been married eleven and a half years, and they're introducing a podcast about maintaining healthy adult relationships. Marriage? Yes. Friendships? Yes. They explain how this podcast came to be and what the name means. They want you to know they're not experts, just two people interested in exploring what makes relationships good through honest, real conversations with other people. Follow Converging Grace for notifications when new episodes are released. More coming soon.