What happens when two behaviour nerds, a parked car, and a determined group of tourists get in the way? You get this episode.

Recorded in my car after a series of camera mishaps and unexpected background 'ambience,' this carpool podcast with veterinary behaviourist Gabriel Lencioni dives into the art of cooperative care, Horse‑Initiated Training (HIT), and the many ways we can give horses more agency in their own handling and healthcare.

Despite the technical hurdles, the conversation is rich, practical, and full of insight. We explore how small shifts in training can transform everyday procedures, why opt-ins for handling is important, and how trainers and vets can work together to create calmer, more confident horses.

A slightly chaotic recording. A seriously good discussion.

Gabriel is a Veterinarian and PhD student in Animal Welfare at the School of Veterinary Medicine and Animal Science (FMVZ) of the University of São Paulo (USP). He is an IAABC CEBC and Elite Fear free certified professional. His main research field is in affective states in horses and the use of technologies (AI) as indicators during competitions. Gabriel has a special interest in positive reinforcement training and cooperative care approaches to veterinary procedures.

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