Throughout the year we have highlighted multiple cases involving some of the most notorious serial killers in recent memory: Zodiac, Wayne Williams, Joel Rifkin, Freeway Phantom, and most recently, LISK. On this week's episode Maggie is joined by board-certified forensic psychologist and author, Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon. Dr. Smalldon has extensive experience evaluating murderers and has consulted on hundreds of death penalty cases. In his memoir, "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers," Dr. Smalldon details his time spent in communication with the country's most prolific serial killers, like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and Donald Harvey. Listen in as Dr. Smalldon takes Maggie through his experiences corresponding with killers, and the two discuss why it is important to understand what goes on inside the mind of a serial killer.

"That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers" is available in all major book retailers, or through his website: ⁠jeffreysmalldon.com⁠.

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