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[Cosmosis] Fourth Wall Phantoms with Joshua Cutchin
In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly and Jay sit down with author Joshua Cutchin to explore the provocative ideas behind his latest book, Fourth Wall Phantoms. Known for his groundbreaking work at the intersection of folklore, consciousness, and high strangeness, Cutchin examines the unsettling possibility that fictional characters and narratives might sometimes step into our reality. Together, they dive into the porous boundary between fact and fiction, the role of screen memories and trickster phenomena, and how narrative structure itself can shape extraordinary experiences. From “fictional incursions” to the power of the imaginal, this conversation challenges our assumptions about reality—and the stories that define it.
BOOKS BY JOSHUA CUTCHIN
Fourth Wall Phantoms: Reflections on the Paranormal, Narrative, and Fictions Becoming Fact
Where the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon
Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal
Thieves In The Night: A Brief History of Supernatural Child Abductions
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TIMESTAMPS
01:08 Introducing Joshua Cutchin: Exploring Folklore and High Strangeness
03:21 Diving into Fourth Wall Phantoms
07:23 Joshua's Perspective on Reality and Culture
08:39 The UFO Phenomenon and Cultural Interplay
15:11 Fictional Incursions: Characters Entering Reality
20:54 Kelly's Personal Experience of a Fictional Incursion: A Fictional Charater Brought to Life
26:13 The Role of Creative Types in Paranormal Experiences
34:04 Understanding Topas and Thought Forms
42:15 Jay's Experience: The Mystery of the Girl in Middletown
42:46 The Archetype of the Woman in White
44:23 Exploring Consciousness and Paranormal Experiences
44:56 The Phenomenon of Creepers
46:33 Narrative Structure and Human Experience
50:41 The Concept of Metalepsis
01:01:44 The Role of Media and Ritual
01:19:34 Personal Encounters and Synchronicities
01:25:26 Concluding Thoughts and Future Adventures
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In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly and Jay sit down with author Joshua Cutchin to explore the provocative ideas behind his latest book, Fourth Wall Phantoms. Known for his groundbreaking work at the intersection of folklore, consciousness, and high strangeness, Cutchin examines the unsettling possibility that fictional characters and narratives might sometimes step into our reality. Together, they dive into the porous boundary between fact and fiction, the role of screen memories and trickster phenomena, and how narrative structure itself can shape extraordinary experiences. From “fictional incursions” to the power of the imaginal, this conversation challenges our assumptions about reality—and the stories that define it.
BOOKS BY JOSHUA CUTCHIN
Fourth Wall Phantoms: Reflections on the Paranormal, Narrative, and Fictions Becoming Fact
Where the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon
Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal
Thieves In The Night: A Brief History of Supernatural Child Abductions
Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:
https://www.cosmosis.media/
Join the Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia
Subscribe to Cosmosis:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InquirywithKellyChase
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107
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Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ
Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117
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TIMESTAMPS
01:08 Introducing Joshua Cutchin: Exploring Folklore and High Strangeness
03:21 Diving into Fourth Wall Phantoms
07:23 Joshua's Perspective on Reality and Culture
08:39 The UFO Phenomenon and Cultural Interplay
15:11 Fictional Incursions: Characters Entering Reality
20:54 Kelly's Personal Experience of a Fictional Incursion: A Fictional Charater Brought to Life
26:13 The Role of Creative Types in Paranormal Experiences
34:04 Understanding Topas and Thought Forms
42:15 Jay's Experience: The Mystery of the Girl in Middletown
42:46 The Archetype of the Woman in White
44:23 Exploring Consciousness and Paranormal Experiences
44:56 The Phenomenon of Creepers
46:33 Narrative Structure and Human Experience
50:41 The Concept of Metalepsis
01:01:44 The Role of Media and Ritual
01:19:34 Personal Encounters and Synchronicities
01:25:26 Concluding Thoughts and Future Adventures
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