Artists Dhaqan Collective and Kaajal Modi are in conversation about each other's socially engaged art practices, and the way their work brings together the themes of displacement, racial and climate justice.

They discuss the way Dhaqan Collective, led by Fozia Ismail and Ayan Cilmi, is working with Somali communities, the heritage and traditions held, especially by Somali women, the artists are celebrating and preserving in works such as their 'The House of Weaving Songs'.

Kaajal Modi's audio work 'Songs of the Water' explores urban waterway heritages through embodied listening.

Both artists work with a deep understanding of embodied practices, oral histories, and politics of land ownership, with a commitment to decolonising approaches that recognise the effects of the settler colonial histories and emergencies put on the Global South communities.

The artists are co-commissioned by Counterpoints and ArtReach.

This audio conversation is produced by Kitty Turner, audio producer and musician.

In partnership with, and supported by The Eden Project, Cornwall.

The conversation is held ahead of the 'Interweaving threads of climate justice and migration' event at Eden in September 2024, and Journeys Festival International in Leicester, in October 2024.