This is the third episode in our series on our book Learning Change: Congregational Transformation Fueled by Personal Renewal. That book came out of our work with what was then known as Ridder Church Renewal and is now known as Churches Learning Change. There was a group of pastors in that first group who came to be dear friends and also contributors to this book, describing their experience with learning to lead in new ways.   In this episode, we talk with Jessica Shults and Brian Stone.    Jessica Shults is the lead pastor of Standale Reformed Church near Grand Rapids, MI. She and her husband Matt, also a pastor at Standale, have two teenage boys.   Brian Stone is in business in Kalamazoo, MI where he lives with his wife Cathy. Brian and Cathy also lead the Resilient Marriage conference and offer marriage mentoring through Blessing Ranch Ministries. They have three young adult children.