In this episode, we explore the critical need for men to develop emotional maturity, take personal responsibility, and engage in meaningful self-reflection. Ryan, Aaron, and Trisha delve into how men's work, particularly in groups, can serve as a powerful tool for emotional growth and healthy relationships.

Conversation Overview:

• The Power of Group Work for Emotional Growth
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• The Role of Self-Reflection in Relationships
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• Acknowledging Women’s Anxiety About Men’s Spaces
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• Practical Advice for Emotional Growth
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• The Role of Emotional Maturity in Leadership

Links:

• Ryan Donovan at The Leaders Journey. 
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• Aaron Fullmer
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• Men's Work TX.

In this episode of The Leaders Journey podcast, Jim and Trisha are joined by Reverend Dr. Timothy Scoonover, senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church in Moncks Corner, South Carolina. With over a decade of pastoral experience, Timothy shares how, as an unlikely nomade, he has led his congregation through a journey of adaptive leadership, emotional health, and spiritual formation. Timothy’s story is a powerful reminder that leadership in today’s world is a long, slow process. Through cultivating emotional and spiritual health, investing in personal practices, and creating a community culture that supports one another, leaders can navigate the turbulence of change and conflict.

A native of Knoxville, Tennessee, Timothy graduated from the University of Tennessee with a Bachelor of Science in Human Services.  He received his Master of Divinity from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts, where he was awarded as the Walters Preaching Scholar. Timothy married his high school sweetheart, Ashley, and they have two sons, Cooper and Micah. He is passionate about church renewal, making disciples, University of Tennessee sports, tennis, coffee, and time with family.

Key Highlights:

• The Power of Experiments in Leadership:
• Modeling Vulnerability and Emotional Health
• The Role of Language in Leadership
• Apprenticeship to Jesus in a Changing World
• Community Support and Leadership

Resources:

• https://firstpcmonckscorner.org/
• The Leaders Journey website.

 

Join The Leader's Journey team as they explore what it means to ride the waevs of reactivity and and how those waves have shaped their experiences and goals to improve.  a reflective conversation about reactivity—how it shows up in our lives, how we manage it, and what we’re learning in the process. Tricia and the team explore personal stories of how they’ve navigated emotional waves in their own lives—from time management struggles to family dynamics and professional challenges. With reflections from team members Jim Herrington, Rick Rarick, Dawn Bird, Chad Jaeger, and Edie Lenz, this episode offers practical wisdom for anyone looking to stay grounded amidst life’s inevitable anxieties and lead with greater awareness and intention.

Conversation Overview

Jim Herrington on Asking for Help

Rick Rarick on learning to adapt

Dawn Bird on Feeling, Acknowledging, and Managing Reactivity

Chad Jaeger on Letting Other People Grow

Edie Lenz on Learning to Stand Still and Wait

 

References

Kathleen Smith:  Everything Isn't Terrible: Conquer Your Insecurities, Interrupt Your Anxieties and Finally Calm Down    True to You: A Therapist's Guide to Stop Pleasing Others and Start Being Yourself    Kathleen Smith's substack The Anxious Overachiever   Oliver Burkeman: Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals

In this episode of The Leader's Journey Podcast, Trisha Taylor, along with Nate Pyle, Matt McCarthy, and Katie Ignatowski, dive into part three of the politics series exploring the challenges of division and leadership in polarized times. While the focus isn't on the U.S. election specifically, the discussion addresses the broader implications of division in churches, workplaces, and communities. With returning guests Nate Pyle and Matt McCarthy, and new voice Katie Ignatowski, this episode provides insights into how leaders can foster dialogue, perspective-taking, and emotional maturity in their communities.

Nate Pyle: A pastor and member of The Leader's Journey team, Nate brings a wealth of experience in guiding congregations through challenging conversations and promoting emotional maturity in leadership.

Matt McCarthy: Another seasoned leader and pastor, Matt focuses on creating opportunities for embodying the politics of Jesus at the local level, emphasizing community engagement and kingdom work.

Katie Ignatowski: An executive director with a legal background, Katie has held significant roles in politics and compliance in Wisconsin. She brings a fresh perspective to the team, blending her expertise in law and leadership with a commitment to grace-filled and truth-centered dialogue.

Key Points

• Polarization and Leadership: The team explores the challenges leaders face in divided environments, highlighting the need to balance empathy and challenge.

• Holding Tension: Insights on navigating complexity, resisting oversimplification, and fostering productive conversations.

• Media Literacy: Discussing the importance of critical thinking and diversifying sources to navigate "two different realities" shaped by media consumption.

• Emotional Maturity: How leaders can grow their own emotional maturity and guide their communities towards it as a critical discipleship practice.

• Engaging Locally: The value of focusing on local action and influence as a means to foster meaningful change and embody the politics of Jesus.

• Guiding Principles: The role of guiding principles in making decisions, holding convictions, and navigating polarized contexts.

Resource Links

• The Leader's Journey Coaching Team

• Miroslav Volf: "Exclusion and Embrace"

• Playing Politics, Leading in an Election Year Part 1
• Playing Politics, Leading in an Election Year, Part 2

 

 

The following episode originally aired in July of 2022. You can find the rest of that coaching series here: 

The Leader as a Coach: Developing People

The Leader as a Coach: Being Coachable 

 

The five skills that leaders can start to work on today to become more effective leaders through coaching are deep listening, inquiry, giving clear feedback, guiding focus, and doing your own work. 

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Leaders who learn to lead through coaching and who develop a culture of coaching in their organization will effectively raise up people who can consistently be the healthiest, most effective version of themselves and do their best work.

Conversation Overview

• Coaching is "deliberately providing a safe and challenging environment where change is possible"
• Deep listening
• "Being profoundly heard by another person is a transformative experience." – Jim Herrington
• "The experience of being deeply listened to makes us different." – Trisha Taylor
• Inquiry
• One reason we get bored listening is because we're not actively asking questions. We're not really all that curious, we're busy, and we're distracted. 
• Giving clear feedback
• Guiding focus
• Part of the skill of guiding focus is helping people pay attention to the things they need to be paying attention to.
• Doing your own work

Links: 

• The Leader As Coach: Developing People
• Giving and receiving feedback
• Defined and Connected
• Learning is Imperative for Effective Leadership: Part 1
• Two Feet Walking Workbook
• Coaching description on our website
• Our Love Hate Relationship with Goals (podcast episode)
• Two Feet Walking Podcast Series

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In this episode of The Leader's Journey Podcast, Trisha Taylor sits down with Mandy Smith, a gifted pastor, artist, and author of Confessions of an Amateur Saint. Together, they discuss the deep challenges Christian leaders face, the journey of faithfulness over success, and the importance of embracing weakness as a pathway to strength. Mandy shares her insights on how leaders, particularly in faith communities, often find themselves caught between the desire for competence and the necessity of surrendering to God’s guidance. Through personal stories and deep reflection, this episode invites leaders to embrace vulnerability and trust God with their limitations.

Mandy Smith is the pastor of St. Lucia Uniting Church in Australia and the author of Confessions of an Amateur Saint. With a unique blend of pastoral leadership, artistic expression, and deep theological insight, Mandy serves as a voice of compassion and clarity for leaders seeking to integrate faith with everyday life. She is also associated with the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination. Mandy’s creative and thoughtful approach to ministry continues to inspire leaders to lead with authenticity and dependence on God.

Key Points:

• The Role of Faithful Leadership: Mandy reflects on the tension between striving for professional competence and the call to lead with faith and reliance on God.
• Faith Over Competence: Leadership isn't about having all the answers; it's about modeling the need for God. Mandy talks about how, as leaders, we are called to admit our limitations and trust God’s power to work through us.
• The Confession of Leadership: The act of confession is integral to faithful leadership. It involves not only acknowledging our weaknesses but also reaffirming our trust in God despite those weaknesses.
• The Struggle with Human Limitation: Mandy shares her experience of being thrust into leadership roles that challenged her competencies, and how leaning into vulnerability rather than striving for control has been both humbling and healing.
• The Invitation to Lead Authentically: By embracing human limitations, leaders can create space for God’s strength to shine. Mandy challenges leaders to stop hiding their weaknesses and to model dependence on God for the benefit of those they lead.

Resources:

The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry

Unfettered: Imagining a Childlike Faith Beyond the Baggage of Western Culture

Confessions of an Amateur Saint: The Christian Leader's Journey from Self-sufficiency to Relying on God

Mandy's website: The Way is the Way

The Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination

In this episode, Jim and Rick Rarick dive into the essential role of values in organizational culture and the importance of leadership integrity. They discuss the concept of the Employee Value Proposition (EVP) and how it can shape a meaningful workplace experience. By acknowledging imperfections and fostering a supportive environment, leaders can build stronger connections with their teams and enhance employee loyalty.

Rick Rarick is an experienced organizational coach with a background in both for-profit and nonprofit sectors. He specializes in helping leaders understand and improve workplace culture, emphasizing the importance of authenticity, accountability, and meaningful engagement. With a passion for guiding organizations toward healthier dynamics, Rick brings a wealth of knowledge to discussions about employee experience and leadership development.

Key Points:

• The significance of living organizational values with integrity.
• Acknowledging and addressing integrity gaps as a means of fostering loyalty.
• The Employee Value Proposition (EVP) defined as a statement of what employees receive from their organization.
• Importance of meaningful work and connection between individual roles and company goals.
• The role of friendships and relationships in employee retention.
• Growth opportunities and the ability to learn from mistakes as key components of employee satisfaction.
• The shift from traditional work-life balance to a more flexible work-life rhythm.
• The impact of generational attitudes on work expectations and the importance of creating a human-centered workplace culture.

References:

• Harvard Business Review: Employee Value Proposition
• Rick Rarick - The Leaders Journey Coach

 

In this episode, the Jim and Trisha host guests Chris and Kurt from Brimstone coaching to engage in a deep conversation about leadership, self-awareness, and the mental models that shape our approach to work and relationships. They explore the importance of slowing down, reflecting, and questioning existing assumptions about what it means to be an effective leader. This episode wraps up with a powerful reminder: “You don’t have to be as tired as you are.”

Chris Godfredson and Kurt Bash have both come out of leadership and supervisory roles in a variety of business kind of contexts and then transitioned into church ministry where they have each led in a variety of contexts. They are the co-founders of Brimstone Coaching Group.

Kurt Bush began his working career in the manufacturing world. He spent time working for a large manufacturing company in various roles over 10 years, with the majority of that time being spent in Human Resources and Production Supervision. He was then called out of that into seminary, and subsequently, full-time vocational ministry. Over the last 6 years, he has served and led churches in and through both minor and major changes, along with helping leaders establish a clear sense of “who we are together.” It’s his work in his own life that fuels the passion that he feels in helping others do their own work.

Chris Godfredsen made the transition a number of years ago from printing the news to telling the Good News. He has a growing understanding of Family Systems theory and Internal Family Systems, and he uses tools and resources that help people stop doing things that have hampered their growth for so long so they can live whole lives. These tools have also been helpful in conflict resolution work with co-workers and leadership teams.

Conversation Overview

1. Seeing to Change
2. Mental Models of Leadership
3. The Courage to Let Go
4. Redefining Strong Leadership
5. Testing Assumptions
6. Invitation to Reflect

Resources

• Brimstone Coaching Group
• An Everyone Culture: Becoming a Deliberately Developmental Organization by Robert Kegan and Lisa Lahey (the idea of doing two jobs is in the introduction and first chapter)
• Wholeheartedness: Busyness, Exhaustion and Healing the Divided Self by Chuck DeGroat
• Western Theological Seminary
• Brimstone Coaching podcast

In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into the themes of connection, vulnerability, and healing with Chuck DeGroat. Drawing from his rich experience as a therapist and author, Chuck offers insights into how we can move away from shame-based narratives and toward a more empowering understanding of ourselves and our relationship with the divine. Join us as we explore the importance of community in healing, the reframing of addiction, and the transformative power of imagination in our spiritual journeys.  

Chuck DeGroat is a seasoned therapist, author, and professor known for his work in clinical mental health counseling and his insights into personal and spiritual growth. With a background in pastoral ministry and a deep understanding of human psychology, Chuck offers a unique perspective on healing, connection, and the inner journey. His latest book, Healing What's Within: Coming Home to Yourself and to God When You're Wounded, Weary, and Wandering, provides a roadmap for those seeking to reclaim their worth and reconnect with their true selves.

Key Points

The Importance of Connection: Exploring the impact of disconnection on our lives and the necessity of vulnerability in healing.

Reframing Suffering: Understanding suffering as a universal human experience rather than a personal failure.

Imagination in Healing: Utilizing creative visualization to foster a sense of safety and connection with God.

Redemptive Remembering: The practice of recalling moments of grace to counteract negative internal narratives.

Rethinking Addiction: Viewing addiction as a response to deeper needs rather than a behavior to condemn, and fostering curiosity about our motivations.

In a world where every conversation or statement can spark intense debates, how do you maintain your composure and stay true to your values? Join Trisha, Nate, and Mac as they dive into a conversation about managing both online and in person engagement with empathy, leading through political tensions, and making a meaningful impact on a local level.

Mac McCarthy has been in Christian ministry for over 15 years.  As a pastor, practitioner, and coach, he is passionate about equipping leaders by integrating missional theology, spiritual formation, family systems, and adaptive leadership to navigate congregational change. 

Nate Pyle is a pastor, author, and coach. He has over 25 years in Christian ministry, and during that time Nate began learning and practicing skills related to adaptive leadership, congregational revitalization, family systems, emotional maturity, and spiritual formation. 

Key Points

• Engaging on Social Media
• Dialogue over Provocation
• Outrage vs. Conviction
• Maintaining Perspective and Empathy
• Recognizing Limitations
• Managing Anxiety and Maintaining Emotional Maturity

References

The Colossian Forum

Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now by Jaron Lanier