In this episode of The Leader's Journey Podcast, Edie Lenz is joined by Ken Eriks and Chelsey Harmon of Churches Learning Change for a rich conversation about the power of mental models in congregational life. They explore what mental models are, how they shape the way churches function, and why unearthing and reforming them is essential for leading meaningful, lasting change. Through stories, examples, and practical processes, they describe how congregations can move from feeling stuck to discovering clarity, creativity, and a shared path forward. Conversation Overview

• What Mental Models Are and Why They Matter

• Different Perspectives and Conflicting Assumptions

• Why Churches Engage Mental Models Work

• Competing Models in a Congregation

• Unearthing Mental Models in Community

• Congregational Practices for Surfacing Mental Models

• Experimentation as a Pathway to Learning

• Reforming and Rooting New Mental Models

• Why This Work Takes Time, Reflection, and Community

• How to Connect With Churches Learning Change

Edie Lenz, Ken Ericks, and Chelsey Harmon are the staff of Churches Learning Change (CLC), an organization dedicated to helping congregations engage deep change through adaptive leadership, reflective practice, and intentional learning communities. Through coaching, content curation, and process facilitation, they equip churches to unearth, test, and reform the mental models shaping their life together. Their work integrates theology, systems thinking, and practical tools to support leaders and congregations seeking clarity, transformation, and renewed imagination. Resources: Churches Learning Change Learn more about Chelsey Harmon Edie Lenz at The Leader's Journey Learn more about Ken Eriks