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National Poetry Writing Month (also known as NaPoWriMo) is a creative writing project held annually in April in which participants attempt to write a poem each day for one month. NaPoWriMo coincides with the National Poetry Month in the United States of America and Canada.

NaPoWriMo, or National Poetry Writing Month, is an annual project in which participating poets attempt to write a poem a day for the month of April.

This website is owned and operated by Maureen Thorson, a poet living in Washington, DC. Inspired by NaNoWriMo, or National Novel Writing Month), she started writing a poem a day for the month of April back in 2003, posting the poems on her blog. When other people started writing poems for April, and posting them on their own blogs, Maureen linked to them. After a few years, so many people were doing NaPoWriMo that Maureen decided to launch an independent website for the project.

I started writing poetry in 1988 after I had been exposed to T.S. Elliot in my honors English class in high school. In 1992 I started reading my poetry publicly at Espesso Europia Coffee Shop in Abilene Tx while I was in the United States Air Force. This continued for many years when I ran my own poetry reading at Cannova's in Loves Park Illinois and attended the poetry slams at The green Mill in Chicago Illinois. While living in Rockford Illinois I published my first book of poetry Throwing Yourself at the Ground and Missing in 2007 followed by Postcards From Someone You Don't Know in 2008 Wisdom From the Sack in 2010 and Shaving Crop Circles In My Chest Hair in 2017. You can get copies of all of these books in my merch section. In 2009 I started participating in National Poetry Writing Month which became the basis for my book Wisdom From the Sack and Shaving Crop Circles in My Chest Hair. In 2020 I started publishing my podcast version of the challenge and those can be viewed here for 2020 and here for 2021.

And now for our prompt (optional, as always). Today, I’d like to challenge you to write a poem about a mythical person or creature doing something unusual – or at least something that seems unusual in relation to that person/creature. For example, what does Hercules do when he loses a sock in the dryer? If a mermaid wants to pick up rock-climbing as a hobby, how does she do that? What happens when a mountain troll makes pancakes?

The Tame Sagittarius  

5 April 2022 

He sat in his stable and suffered through another gout attack 

It had been forever since he had done archery practice 

The catgut string on his bow was frayed and unusable 

His belly had grown enormous 

The oats he ate were replaced with Mt Dew and anything from Uber Eats 

And nights that usually were the best time for hunting 

Was now spent on video games 

He had given up 

He bought into the dream of leisure 

The never-ending quest for the next thing ended abruptly  

As those who honored his spirit  

Emulated his independence 

Decided that questing was only for the flickering screens 

He had no reason to lead his followers 

Or fulfill the visage they had of him 

The immortality that many of us devote our lives, wealth and emotion on 

Turned into an unspeakably horrible prison 

And he just sat there and wallowed in his misery 

Decades had passed while he was in this state 

Until there was none left that followed the path he led for eons before 

And when the last follower had passed away 

The Sagittarius blinked out of existence 

With no fanfare, no burning barge 

Until one day a mortal discovered the writings of his former followers 

He heard the call to bring him back into our realm 

His legs gained strength 

His heart began beating again 

His vagabond mind started to drive him towards his newest disciple 

And once again he took his spot in the pantheon of the gods 

He regained his drive to search the cosmos 

And imparted immortality to his mortal connection 

As they explore the Universe together   

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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National Poetry Writing Month (also known as NaPoWriMo) is a creative writing project held annually in April in which participants attempt to write a poem each day for one month. NaPoWriMo coincides with the National Poetry Month in the United States of America and Canada.

NaPoWriMo, or National Poetry Writing Month, is an annual project in which participating poets attempt to write a poem a day for the month of April.

This website is owned and operated by Maureen Thorson, a poet living in Washington, DC. Inspired by NaNoWriMo, or National Novel Writing Month), she started writing a poem a day for the month of April back in 2003, posting the poems on her blog. When other people started writing poems for April, and posting them on their own blogs, Maureen linked to them. After a few years, so many people were doing NaPoWriMo that Maureen decided to launch an independent website for the project.

I started writing poetry in 1988 after I had been exposed to T.S. Elliot in my honors English class in high school. In 1992 I started reading my poetry publicly at Espesso Europia Coffee Shop in Abilene Tx while I was in the United States Air Force. This continued for many years when I ran my own poetry reading at Cannova's in Loves Park Illinois and attended the poetry slams at The green Mill in Chicago Illinois. While living in Rockford Illinois I published my first book of poetry Throwing Yourself at the Ground and Missing in 2007 followed by Postcards From Someone You Don't Know in 2008 Wisdom From the Sack in 2010 and Shaving Crop Circles In My Chest Hair in 2017. You can get copies of all of these books in my merch section. In 2009 I started participating in National Poetry Writing Month which became the basis for my book Wisdom From the Sack and Shaving Crop Circles in My Chest Hair. In 2020 I started publishing my podcast version of the challenge and those can be viewed here for 2020 and here for 2021.

Finally, here’s our optional prompt! Today, I’d like to challenge you to write a poem . . . in the form of a poetry prompt. If that sounds silly, well, maybe it is! But it’s not without precedent. The poet Mathias Svalina has been writing surrealist prompt-poems for quite a while, posting them to Instagram. You can find examples here, and here, and here.

Poetry Prompt for Those Who Know They Are About to Die

4 April 2022

1. Don’t try to write like Sylvia Plath. We already have one and the world does not need another. Also, remember that your home warranty does not consider using the stove for suicide as normal wear and tear, so your family will be required to pay for a new stove.

2. If you must rhyme then please don’t make it obvious, if I can guess the rhyme then I get to say it along with the person eulogizing you.

3. Read some of the greats, but don’t think this will put you in the pantheon of poets. If it's your first time writing a poem, it is going to suck, and you don’t have much time to get it right or edit.

4. Don’t make this like Kiss’s multiple farewell tours. We all love Kiss, we know that one day they will stop, refer to prompt #1 for reference.

5. Don’t write something cryptic or esoteric that we would need to have someone decipher for us. Most people don’t have the time to figure out your sudoku of a poem.

6. If you have already been visited by celestial beings, please for the love of god transcribe what they told you verbatim. You won’t be able to tell us what they really meant and for those of us being left behind that information could be really useful.

7. Think about your audience and whom you want to hear this poem. Then think about how you want them to listen to this poem and keeping in mind their emotional state.

8. If you want someone else to read this aloud at your funeral, use simple words. No one wants to mess up a 64,000-dollar word in front of grieving families.

9. Once you have considered all of these suggestions, then please go ahead and write your swan song. Don’t call it your swan song because Led Zepplin said it better.

10. Write the poem before you are too far gone. Like once you get done reading this line then you should go ahead and start your poem. You may believe you know when you are going to die, but sometimes the grim reaper is ahead of schedule, and they don’t have time to hear you beg for a few more minutes or asking them to help you find a word that rhymes with orange.

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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National Poetry Writing Month (also known as NaPoWriMo) is a creative writing project held annually in April in which participants attempt to write a poem each day for one month. NaPoWriMo coincides with the National Poetry Month in the United States of America and Canada.

NaPoWriMo, or National Poetry Writing Month, is an annual project in which participating poets attempt to write a poem a day for the month of April.

This website is owned and operated by Maureen Thorson, a poet living in Washington, DC. Inspired by NaNoWriMo, or National Novel Writing Month), she started writing a poem a day for the month of April back in 2003, posting the poems on her blog. When other people started writing poems for April, and posting them on their own blogs, Maureen linked to them. After a few years, so many people were doing NaPoWriMo that Maureen decided to launch an independent website for the project.

I started writing poetry in 1988 after I had been exposed to T.S. Elliot in my honors English class in high school. In 1992 I started reading my poetry publicly at Espesso Europia Coffee Shop in Abilene Tx while I was in the United States Air Force. This continued for many years when I ran my own poetry reading at Cannova's in Loves Park Illinois and attended the poetry slams at The green Mill in Chicago Illinois. While living in Rockford Illinois I published my first book of poetry Throwing Yourself at the Ground and Missing in 2007 followed by Postcards From Someone You Don't Know in 2008 Wisdom From the Sack in 2010 and Shaving Crop Circles In My Chest Hair in 2017. You can get copies of all of these books in my merch section. In 2009 I started participating in National Poetry Writing Month which became the basis for my book Wisdom From the Sack and Shaving Crop Circles in My Chest Hair. In 2020 I started publishing my podcast version of the challenge and those can be viewed here for 2020 and here for 2021.

And now for our (optional) prompt. This one is a bit complex, so I saved it for a Sunday. It’s a Spanish form called a “glosa” – literally a poem that glosses, or explains, or in some way responds to another poem. The idea is to take a quatrain from a poem that you like, and then write a four-stanza poem that explains or responds to each line of the quatrain, with each of the quatrain’s four lines in turn forming the last line of each stanza. Traditionally, each stanza has ten lines, but don’t feel obligated to hold yourself to that!

To Tallulah Belle

Exhausting our hearts to their last desires,

Charles BAUDELAIRE The Death of The Lovers, The Flowers of Evil

1.

Upon my furry chest

Emblazoned in ink and blood

Resides our spirit animals

Penned by a former student

Who has found her hearts desire

Above my heart

If you shave away the layers of hair

I have made my declaration eternal

Until we have

Exhausted our hearts to their last desires

2.

When we found each other

I was not ready to surrender

Not knowing what it meant

This elusive feeling

I needed to take more time to discover

Who I really was

The fire burned in me all those years between

Until the day we found each other again

And the words unspoken on our day

They shall both be like unto two glowing coals

3,

The hue of our feelings did not match

I used suspicion, unhealthy introspection and lust

To fuel the flames of what I called love

This had never worked in the past

But for some self-sabotaging reason

I thought, as taught by those who I modeled

That this would supply me with enough emotion

Until we both entwined our inner flames

And merged into a fire that the gods could be blinded by

Reflecting the twofold light of our fire

4.

You have claimed your name

After years of hiding behind a pseudonym

And I have claimed the love you give

Without reservation or investigation

This led us to try the unthinkable

Raising a family where agreement rises above argument

Where the love we learned (and still learn) to combine

Is fueled by that which we haven’t known

In the eyes of our offspring, we see shadows of our old selves

Across the twin mirrors of our souls

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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National Poetry Writing Month (also known as NaPoWriMo) is a creative writing project held annually in April in which participants attempt to write a poem each day for one month. NaPoWriMo coincides with the National Poetry Month in the United States of America and Canada.

NaPoWriMo, or National Poetry Writing Month, is an annual project in which participating poets attempt to write a poem a day for the month of April.

This website is owned and operated by Maureen Thorson, a poet living in Washington, DC. Inspired by NaNoWriMo, or National Novel Writing Month), she started writing a poem a day for the month of April back in 2003, posting the poems on her blog. When other people started writing poems for April, and posting them on their own blogs, Maureen linked to them. After a few years, so many people were doing NaPoWriMo that Maureen decided to launch an independent website for the project.

I started writing poetry in 1988 after I had been exposed to T.S. Elliot in my honors English class in high school. In 1992 I started reading my poetry publicly at Espesso Europia Coffee Shop in Abilene Tx while I was in the United States Air Force. This continued for many years when I ran my own poetry reading at Cannova's in Loves Park Illinois and attended the poetry slams at The green Mill in Chicago Illinois. While living in Rockford Illinois I published my first book of poetry Throwing Yourself at the Ground and Missing in 2007 followed by Postcards From Someone You Don't Know in 2008 Wisdom From the Sack in 2010 and Shaving Crop Circles In My Chest Hair in 2017. You can get copies of all of these books in my merch section. In 2009 I started participating in National Poetry Writing Month which became the basis for my book Wisdom From the Sack and Shaving Crop Circles in My Chest Hair. In 2020 I started publishing my podcast version of the challenge and those can be viewed here for 2020 and here for 2021.

And now for our daily prompt (optional, as always). Today, I’d like to challenge you to write a poem based on a word featured in a tweet from Haggard Hawks, an account devoted to obscure and interesting English words. Will you choose a word like “aprosexia,” which means “an inability to concentrate”? Or maybe something like “greenout,” which is “the relief a person who has worked or lived in a snowy area for a long time feels on seeing something fresh and green for the first time”? Whatever you choose, happy writing!

Peel The Bones 

2 April 2022 

*Peel The Bones is the phrase I chose. PEEL-THE-BONES was a 19th century term for bitterly cold or windy weather—so to PEEL was to go out in unsuitable or insufficient clothing given the conditions.

I had spent the hottest summer of my life up until then in San Antonio 

With a man snarling at me for 6 weeks 

Telling me bad things about my Mama 

And threatening me with 6 more weeks of hell 

If I didn’t finish a mile and a half run 

He had our squadron up at 0400 every morning 

Because he loved to run 

And now I was running for my life 

His breath on my neck 

His threats 

I’d never run so hard and so fast 

And just like that I was headed back to Illinois 

For the comfort of the snow and ice 

Only to be told that I would be headed back to Texas in February 

When I arrived in my death machine from the 70’s 

It was Mid-Texas 

Abilene, prettiest town I have ever seen 

People there don’t treat you mean 

But damn the weather was nothing I’d ever seen 

In sweet Abilene, my Abilene 

It was there that I began my fascination with working all night 

It prepped me for grad school 

It prepped me to be a dad of twins 

But nothing prepped me for the wind 

From big sky country 

Nothing stopped the oppressive blowing 

The howling, the strange noises from what I hoped were animals 

I climbed on the expeditor truck that held 8 men 

Each had black coffee steaming up to the dim light 

Some were snoring 

Others were playing cards 

While we waited for the call 

That would drop us off to fix the metal birds 

That would become my reason for being there 

We pulled up to tail number 1666, the little gremlin 

SGT Couter called out Electrics 

My trainer and I stood up 

I grabbed the toolbox that almost froze to my bare hands 

It was a liquid oxygen leak 

And we would spend the next hour in the front wheel well 

Two men, in the dark and cold 

Our lower halves being pummeled  

My field jacket was still packed away 

My thermals were probably left at my home of record 

That was the first night of my mistake 

Being from Chicago 

I thought I knew what freezing was 

I thought I knew how ruthless mother nature could be 

Seeing snowfall in June made me think I could endure anything 

And that all Texans wore cowboy hats and died  

When it got below freezing 

But whatever deity was on call that night 

Was more than determined  

To give me the worst possible welcome 

I considered peeing on myself to warm my legs 

When my trainer told me 

Next time dress for success 

Don’t think that piss will warm you up 

Because you’ll get frostbitten 

And the expeditor won’t let you back on his truck 

So, I stood in the cold that night 

Thinking I’d never be warm again 

Thinking that the frozen demons from home followed me here 

Thinking it was too damn cold to think 

My trainer took pity on me 

He offered a drink of his coffee 

Warned not to backwash 

No sugar, no cream, just the blackness 

The heat that kept me awake 

That kept me alive 

When we finished two hours later  

It seemed like forever 

He taught me how to make mud 

And now every time I drink it 

I shiver for a few moments 

Then I drain the cup and pour another 

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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National Poetry Writing Month (also known as NaPoWriMo) is a creative writing project held annually in April in which participants attempt to write a poem each day for one month. NaPoWriMo coincides with the National Poetry Month in the United States of America and Canada.

NaPoWriMo, or National Poetry Writing Month, is an annual project in which participating poets attempt to write a poem a day for the month of April.

This website is owned and operated by Maureen Thorson, a poet living in Washington, DC. Inspired by NaNoWriMo, or National Novel Writing Month), she started writing a poem a day for the month of April back in 2003, posting the poems on her blog. When other people started writing poems for April, and posting them on their own blogs, Maureen linked to them. After a few years, so many people were doing NaPoWriMo that Maureen decided to launch an independent website for the project.

I started writing poetry in 1988 after I had been exposed to T.S. Elliot in my honors English class in high school. In 1992 I started reading my poetry publicly at Espesso Europia Coffee Shop in Abilene Tx while I was in the United States Air Force. This continued for many years when I ran my own poetry reading at Cannova's in Loves Park Illinois and attended the poetry slams at The green Mill in Chicago Illinois. While living in Rockford Illinois I published my first book of poetry Throwing Yourself at the Ground and Missing in 2007 followed by Postcards From Someone You Don't Know in 2008 Wisdom From the Sack in 2010 and Shaving Crop Circles In My Chest Hair in 2017. You can get copies of all of these books in my merch section. In 2009 I started participating in National Poetry Writing Month which became the basis for my book Wisdom From the Sack and Shaving Crop Circles in My Chest Hair. In 2020 I started publishing my podcast version of the challenge and those can be viewed here for 2020 and here for 2021.

And last but not least, our optional prompt! I got this one from a workshop I did last year with Beatrix Gates, and I’ve found it really helpful. The prompt is based on Robert Hass’s remarkable prose poem, “A Story About the Body.” The idea is to write your own prose poem that, whatever title you choose to give it, is a story about the body. The poem should contain an encounter between two people, some spoken language, and at least one crisp visual image.

Left Hand Blues 

1 April 22 

When I crashed my third motorcycle on a Friday night 

Under the limitless mid-Texan sky 

Tumbling over the handlebars of a bike with an unknown bent frame 

Instinctively, I put out my arms to catch myself 

But going 60 down a deserted highway the only thing that broke 

Was my left wrist and my pride 

Observers to this midnight race ran towards the danger 

And took my body and my bike to the side of the road 

Someone pulled out some cold sweaty beer cans  

To control the instantly swelling wrist 

And others who had succumbed to the magical elixir 

Argued with those who were less inebriated  

The drunks thought that good beer was going to be wasted on my gullet 

The levelheaded ones used their commanding voices and won out 

My bike was collected and put in the bed of a truck 

I was pushed into a car and was raced to the hospital 

A story was concocted, a lie had to be made 

One that would stick  

And that lie has brought me to where I am today 

Chicks dig scars was what they told me 

We’ll call you lefty from here on out 

I got to keep my hand that night 

But I had to lose out on a future that I’ll never know 

A career cut short,  

Lands never traveled 

Possibilities never realized 

Chicks do dig scars 

As my children trace the lines that hold my hand together 

They are overly empathetic and murmur apologies and concern 

Thinking they can make my major boo boo better with their innocent kisses  

And soft caresses 

Just like my kisses and soft caresses fix their boo boos 

These scars show that I have lived 

I have taken chances that I probably shouldn’t have 

These scars show the death of possibilities 

For a life I thought I wanted to live 

And a whole realm of regret that I do not have to endure 

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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There is a term you may or may not have heard and it is called imposter syndrome, and how you overcome it is what we will talk about today. Do you listen to that little voice inside your head that says, they will find out that you have no idea what you are doing? Have you allowed that voice to stop you from trying something new or working on your creations? These thoughts and more cross my mind every time I sit down and being to write something or record a podcast or try to do a new type of project.  

• Solicit feedback from a mentor or your audience

• Culture And Creativity

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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Transcript of the Show

Create art podcasts, commentary overcoming imposter syndrome. Hello friend. This is Timothy Kimo. Brian, your head instigator for create art podcast where I use my 20 plus years of experience in creating art and teaching others. Do you listen to that little voice inside your head that says they will find out that you have no idea what you're doing.

I'd like to make a distinction before I get too far into this episode, and that is the inner critic versus imposter since. Now the inner critic for me is useful. It helps me make better work. It pushes me to do better and points out my mistakes. It can be harsh, but I don't let it stop me from doing the work.

So you've heard what I do. Let's look at what other people with impaired loads let's look at, what other people do with imposter saying. On the website, culture partnerships. It's an article titled imposter syndrome, what it is and how can creative people overcome it? The author discusses the typical definition of imposter syndrome and it looks at possible causes.

Well, I hope you got something great out of this podcast. One of the reasons I do these types of episodes is so that I can remind myself of these things of what I've learned. Yup. I too suffer from imposter syndrome from time to time, but I don't let it stop me and I don't want it to stop. If you find value in this episode or this podcast, please share it with a friend.

Hello friends, this is a rebroadcast from my old show KDOI Podcasting. In the last season of that show I took on various topics and had conversations with fellow artists about those topics. In this episode I talked with Kinja Dixon who was and sill is a powerhouse of creativity. his story will inspire you to go out there and be a creative. I do want to share a special shout out to my good friend Chris jones of the Art & Business of Writing Podcast for putting me in touch with Kinja and being a supporter of this show.

• Kinja's Website

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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Create Art Podcast KDOI ReBroadcast Conversations on Creativity with Kinja Dixon

Do you sometimes suffer from low level creative energy? In this episode, I'll be talking with Emile Pandolphi about his approach to keeping his creative energy at a high level to fuel his professional career. Now, even if you are not a professional. This conversation is going to help you maintain and improve your creative energy by taking note of what a professional does to maintain their output.

Emile Pandolfi is a professional pianist and entertainer with over 40 years of performance experience. One of the top-selling pianists in the music industry, he has recorded and released over 30 albums, including one with the City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra (Czech Republic). Since his first release in 1991, Emile has sold over 4.5 million copies nationally and reached more than 750 million collective streams online.

• Knowing When to Replenish Your Creative Energy

• Emile Pandolphi Website

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CAP Conversation Replenishing Your Creative Energy with Emile Pandolphi

This is a K D O I rebroadcast and that's of my old show. KDOI Podcasting I love putting these on for you because we had some great conversations back in my old show, and it would be a shame if they just lived on my external hard drive and we didn't get a chance to share them with you in this episode, talking with my good friend and tattoo artists, Ashley Hutchins, and we're talking about craft, but now here's the thing in this interview.

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KDOI Rebroadcast Conversations on Craft with Ashly Hutchins

In this episode, I talk with Ronika Merl, a screenwriter out of Ireland who at the time of the interview late last year had quit her day job and decided to take her craft to the next level and went professional. Ronika reached out to me via email and wanted to share her experience with going professional. If you are thinking about taking your practice to the next level, take a listen to someone who has just recently did that very thing and learn from her experience.

Ronika is an award-winning screenwriter, writer, and producer.

She is also producing her "Wicklow Stories" Anthology "The Pier" in coordination with No Wifi.

Her autobiography "The Unfinished Heart" is slated for publication in the coming years, and her textbook for Irish Screenwriters "The Hustle" is now available on Amazon or can be purchased directly from her.

She has consulted on projects in the US, UK, South Africa and Australia.

• The hardest point of going professional that Ronika was unprepared for

• Ronika Merl's Website

To reach out to me, email [email protected] I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.

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Ronika: So I recently quit my day job. Which was probably the most exciting moment of my artistic career so far, it was an absolute thrill. Right. And literally today it's 2:00 AM here. So today is my last day in employment. Ever, hopefully fingers crossed ever. And it's been quite the journey like it has been, it has been quite the journey to get me here.

Tim: True true. And will. And especially in your field with, you know, with the screenwriting and with making films, I've got a tiny bit of experience.

Ronika: I was. Sorry. Yeah. I was going to say the film industry, like as it's very, it's very topical at the moment. I know when this goes out, it'd probably be boiled over, but the whole film industry in the state just went on strike. So yeah, for good reason, because they're 16 hour days, you know, they're 16 hour days in the sunshine, in the freezing cold.

Tim: And I was gonna, cause you had mentioned about having confidence in your work, having confidence in your craft and from what I'm hearing, that's one way that you can It helps you to overcome these, these hard times is having that confidence in there.

Ronika: I think CRA, I think crafting con or confidence in craft is the most important thing. Because I know. There isn't anything somebody could put in front of me that I couldn't write.

Tim: Yeah, no, I completely agree with you because unless you are a huge name you know, like Peter Jackson, for instance, or our Tom Cruise or something like that, people aren't going to necessarily come and looking for you.

Ronika: I'm talking with a screenwriter in Ireland. Yes, that's fantastic.