Dr Zac Seidler knows a thing or two about football. Whilst he's scored many a goal from all over the pitch, his ultimate goal is to reduce the staggering rate of male suicide. In this second episode of our Creativity & Football mini series (psst, yeah the one on men's mental health in the creative industry) Andy and Zac discuss everything from mental health to masculinity and the one secret that just may give men the courage to speak up.

Find out more about Zac at https://www.zacseidler.com/ and of course support the global Movember phenomenon at https://movember.com where Zac is Director of Mental Health Training. 

More from NNC at https://nevernotcreative.org 

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