Music entrepreneurship courses are beginning to pop up in more colleges and universities. But with that also comes some important questions, such as what is music entrepreneurship and why does it matter?
In this episode of The New Music Industry Podcast, Assistant Professor of Arts Management and Entrepreneurship at Baldwin Wallace University and owner of Murphy Music Press Publishing Sean brings some much-needed insight to these important questions.
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Podcast Highlights:
00:14 – Introduction
00:28 – What is the definition of music entrepreneurship?
02:13 – What sort of qualities would you be looking for in a music entrepreneur?
03:21 – People skills
05:26 – Why is music entrepreneurship important?
08:21 – Choosing yourself
09:46 – Why are you passionate about music entrepreneurship?
12:46 – Why hasn’t music publishing adapted to the needs of composers?
16:07 – How did you end up at Baldwin Wallace University?
17:59 – What is it like to live in Ohio?
19:27 – Employment and music entrepreneurship?
24:24 – What kinds of freelancing opportunities are available today?
29:06 – How do musicians make money today?
35:29 – What are some of the biggest challenges you’ve encountered as an entrepreneur?
38:57 – What are some of the biggest victories you’ve experienced as an entrepreneur?
42:08 – Are there any books that have inspired and helped you on your journey?
43:52 – Is there anything else I should have asked?
Transcription:
David Andrew Wiebe: Today I’m chatting with Assistant Professor of Arts Management and Entrepreneurship at Baldwin Wallace University, and owner of Murphy Music Press Publishing, Sean Murphy. How are you today Sean?
Sean Murphy: I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me on.
David Andrew: Yeah, it's a pleasure. So, it seems like people can’t agree entirely on this. I'm going to start off by asking what your definition of music entrepreneurship is.
Sean: That's a great question. I think a lot of musicians are maybe averse to the term entrepreneurship in general because the idea of mixing business concepts with the idea of musical performance, I think to some people it's kind of like an unholy marriage.
So, I would define entrepreneurship as kind of the intersection of creativity and innovation. For musicians, I feel like that's just what we do every single day in our product and what we do.
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So, my definition of music entrepreneurship is really just the skillset that is necessary for one to survive in the music industry itself because without any entrepreneurial abilities I think we see a lot of unfortunate cases where some musicians have to change careers or change music into more of a hobby than an income generating device.
David Andrew: I can get behind everything you just said for sure, because there are so many musicians out there that go “Oh, but I just want to focus on the creative side of things.” which I totally understand but if you don't market your music, if nobody knows who you are, if you don't build your email list, or know anything about social media or building websites, pretty much you don't have a career, right?
Sean: Yeah. It's difficult to be a musician but a lot of people already possess these entrepreneurial qualities they just don't think of them in that way.
Part of what I do, I think it's also educating people on the fact that they already possess a lot of these qualities and then just manipulating them in such a way that would be beneficial for their long-term success in music, is really what I should go about doing.
David Andrew: I think that's true too. What sort of qualities would you be looking for?
Sean: Well, I think creativity is definitely at the forefront but as I kind of referenced before, all the musicians I feel like are inherently creative or they wouldn't be in this field to begin with.
David Andrew: Yes.
Sean: Beyond creativity, I think the next quality that a lot of musicians sometimes have to overcome is the ability to speak to other musicians and other non-musicians in kind of like the general topic of public speaking and general communication.
A lot of musicians... we're insular people. We go in the practice room for eight hours a day. We don't talk to anyone but ourselves. Sometimes we're going crazy. And then oftentimes we can use our instrument as kind of like a veil to hide behind instead of articulating our thoughts with our words.
So, another quality I like to look for or encourage is someone who's like well-articulate and able to speak clearly and not feel intimidated by the idea of communicating their entrepreneurial thoughts and their musical thoughts with their voice and not just their performance medium.
David Andrew: Wow! That's huge. And I do talk about the fact that people skills are extremely important in my latest mini-book The Essential Guide to Music Entrepreneurship. 2018 Edition. So, if you can't see yourself developing your people skills or getting good at communication, you at least need to work with somebody who is because that can make a tremendous difference.
Sean: Certainly. I mean even--. Sometimes I'll tell my students like just talk to someone in line at Starbucks or just kind of strike up a conversation with a stranger. Eventually, you won't think of it as such an anxiety inducing exercise.
David Andrew: It's so true. Part of my background is in network marketing so I spent about four or five years trying to build that business, but you can't build that business without interacting with people.
Sean: Yeah.
David Andrew: So, it was like yeah, I talked to one person today and that was a victory. Then gradually increase that, right, increase the comfort zone to three people or five people and you continually get yourself out there. That was part of my goal is really just to get out of my shell and begin talking to more people.
Sean: Yeah. I think it's even harder when you spend so much of your time as part of the necessary skills not communicating in a verbal way. This is kind of the great paradox of music. What can we communicate with our words? Well, we spend so much time focusing on how to convey that meaning that sometimes we lose track of more basic functions like communicating with words.
David Andrew: Yeah. I think music is a language and that is perhaps the most advantageous way of viewing it. I say to people I speak English, Japanese, music, and computer. So, really four languages there. I grew up in Japan, that's why I speak Japanese. That might be something people don't know but.
Sean: Interesting. Yeah. And computer, I mean that's another growing language that more people probably need to speak.
David Andrew: It is so important. And you know what? That's something I should cover in upcoming episodes or possibly in the future book is technology.
But it changes. It moves so fast that by the time you've written about it or published about it that thought or concept or idea can be outdated.
Sean: Certainly, yeah.
David Andrew: Yeah.
Why is music entrepreneurship important? Why should people care?
Sean: Well, it's interesting. For the non-musician, I think people are like mystified by musicians to an extent. I think they just kind of assume that if you're really good at playing the French Horn then there should be no reason why you wouldn't just be playing French Horn in work or something.
Because another career path that's like you go to school, you get a degree, and there are so many employment opportunities in fields that are directly related and sometimes unrelated. You go to school and you learn about marketing. It doesn't mean you have to be marketing for this type of company. That translates across all different industries. But in music it's like a niche market. It's a specialized market.
So, why should people care about music entrepreneurship? I think because it's a survival mechanism in 2018 for artists. It's taken a while for, I think higher education, to come around and embrace this as an academic field or an area of necessary study.
So, if you're a musician I would urge you to care about it just because when you go to school it's probably not the best time to start thinking about how you're going to run your career.
But rather if you thought about it like a process the same way you go through the sequences of your courses through applied study or music theory or what have you, by the time you come out on the other side you're going to be much more prepared to succeed rather than starting at square one the day after your graduate.
David Andrew: Yeah. I mean there's no obvious stepping stones, right? The moment you leave school or the moment you decide to be a musician you pretty much have to figure out what your career path is going to be.
That's exactly what happened to me. I spent a year in college. That's all the post-secondary education I have but I was asked if I wanted to go and teach guitar at that point and I said “Sure.”. But I didn't know I was going to be doing that so it was just like I kind of arrived at that point and I was the right person at the right time with the right skills and I got hired as a music instructor.
Pretty soon I found out that was not something I wanted to do long term but I ended up teaching for the next 10 years or so.
Sean: Yeah, it's interesting. Being in school there's a certain safety to it. You don't have to deal with where your career is going. Also, I think creatives are kind of like almost like this version of Stockholm Syndrome where you start to not feel confident to have your own thoughts because you're essentially not ready.
The whole time that you're in school, in your mind you're a student. You can't be ready to be a professional.