An interview with Dr. Jeffery Smalldon, author of “That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers”

THAT BEAST WAS NOT ME documents five decades of conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, and Donald Harvey-then thought to be the most prolific serial killer in American history. Through letters, prison visits, and interviews, Smalldon gives readers a terrifying look into the darkest recesses of the human psyche.

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Lucille Butterworth went missing in Tasmania in 1969, and Australians were shocked to learn decades later that someone confessed to her murder just 7 years after her disappearance. Confirmation bias, tunnel vision, and poor police procedures so damaged this case that even a confession was not enough to close it. 

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Infant abductions are unlike other kidnappings and the profile of the perpetrator differs greatly, with the vast majority being women whose motivation is to raise the child. With the rise in at-home DNA kits, these cold cases are starting to be solved but there are still some that remain unresolved. 

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Matthew Crocker: Van Buren Police Department 479-474-1234

Emmanuel Birts: Dallas Police Department 214-744-4444

David Blockett: Newport News Police Department 757-926-8706

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Davohnte Morgan was getting his life back after a traumatic injury but when he walked away from an argument with his girlfriend in 2020, he was never heard from again. His family wants his story out there so that people know to keep looking for Davohnte so that, regardless of the outcome, they can bring him home. 

This case is *unsolved*

If you know anything, you can call the Mt Shasta police at (530) 926-7540

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In December of 2017, the Stockton police got a tip that a baby had been killed in May of 2016 and it had never been reported. The investigation showed that the family had not just one missing baby but rather two. 

This case is *unsolved*

If you know anything, you can call the Stockton police at 1-209-937-7911 or NCMEC at 1800THELOST

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Ten year old Bianca Lebron said she was going to the mall with her uncle. She got into a van and drove off, never to be seen again. There have been suspects over the years and it seems the police have gotten close to an arrest a couple of times. But Bianca’s case remains unsolved. 

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If you know anything, please call the Bridgeport Police Department 1-203-576-7671 or NCMEC at 1-800-THE-LOST.

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Logan Schiendelman was having some growing pains as he entered adulthood like a lot of young people do. Nothing seemed insurmountable but when he disappeared, the investigators had to consider if any of those issues contributed. 

This case is *unsolved*

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If you know anything, you can call the Thurston County Sheriff’s non emergency dispatch at 360-786-5500 or  CrimeStoppers at 1-800-577-8477. 

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When a child goes missing, entire communities turn out to search for them. But the people of Towanda, Kansas weren’t given that opportunity because Adam Herrman’s adoptive parents? They said he went back into state care and it took 9 years for anyone to realize that was a lie. 

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For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation, Josh Hallmark (True Crime Bullsh**), Amanda (Wine and Crime), and I discuss nothing and everything all at once.

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Francheska and Misheila Martinez were twin sisters living in Paterson New Jersey in the spring of 2000. But that summer both of them disappeared–separately–and the police assumed they were runaways. But after 25 years of no contact, we have to wonder if something else happened. 

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