"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" — 2 Corinthians 5:17 In today's episode, Jenny sits down with her friend Jason Butler for the first half of a powerful two-day conversation. Jason is a pastor, counselor, podcaster, and author—but before any of that, he was a highly successful businessman who appeared to have it all together. From the outside, his life looked impressive. Success, achievement, recognition. But behind closed doors, Jason was fighting private battles and wrestling with a deep emptiness he couldn't explain. No amount of accomplishment could quiet the longing in his heart for something more. In this episode, Jason opens up about what it was like to live as what he calls a "cultural Christian"—knowing about Jesus, but not truly knowing Him. He shares how the tension between outward success and inward brokenness eventually brought him to a moment of surrender that changed everything. This is an honest, hope-filled conversation about identity, striving, and the turning point that happens when Jesus becomes real. Be sure to come back for Part 2, where Jason shares what happened after that surrender—and how it impacted not only his life, but the generations that followed.