Ryan Singer, Head of Strategy at Basecamp, joins us to talk about his book, Shape Up. Luke loves the book. Jonathan, apparently, has a "problem" with it. Ryan shares his perspective on WordPress and we discuss how the concept of shaping could work for the WordPress project.

We discuss our conversation with an upcoming guest, premiering later this week. Then we jump into the release of P2, which we're both excited about, and Luke laments its currently non-public code base.

Matt Mullenweg's review of the new Unsplash WordPress plugin has made waves. Who doesn't love a little #WPDrama? We skip the licensing issue and instead discuss whether a one-star plugin review is the right way for a leader, and maybe a competitor, to express their concern.

From time to time, we might address a little bit of Crossword meta. A quick update from us on getting in touch and the fifteen minute limit.

We discuss retargeted advertising, whether or not it should exist, and the implications of the current directory guidelines on innovation in the Block Directory.

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What's the equivalent of TikTok in the WordPress world? We discuss WordPress as the go-to publishing tool for creativity, and compare Jetpack's sordid privacy record with Chinese social media.

Luke rants about Google. Then we talk about the recent history between WordPress and Google and what we both think about their involvement in the WordPress project.

We discuss some proposed changes to the WooCommerce Dashboard design, the trend for WordPress plugins to embrace their own design language (separate to the WP Admin), and the idea of creating a Design System for WordPress.

Season #2 premier - episodes now 15 minutes long! We jump straight into a discussion of WWDC, Hey.com, and the WordPress plugin directory.