Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells invite special guest Holly Black, author of the Spiderwick Chronicles and Book of Night, to come and talk about Kickstarting and what it involves! Along with talking about the process, a zombie fly haunts the set and they talk about what IS fantasy?  

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Chapters
(0:00) - Holly Black Is Here! 
(2:15) - Is Calvin and Hobbies a Fantasy? 
(6:02) - The Fly Killers 
(6:54) - Holly Did a Kickstarter!
(19:52) - The Aftermath of a Successful Kickstart
(22:06) - The Cosmere RPG 
(24:04) - The Crowd Funding Philosophy  
(29:43) - The Parasocial Connection