Episode 40 is a conversation with drummer Joe Plummer (Cold War Kids, Modest Mouse, The Shins, The Black Heart Procession, etc.). They talk about the variety of music he has taken part in, working on research podcasts, tour stories involving frisbees and back problems, pickle ball and yoga, the San Diego connections that Joe has, and the similarities in the DNA of Seattle and San Diego. They also talk about the heart, integrity, and work ethic that brings their community of weirdos together, even despite their musical or artistic differences.