Cult or Just Weird

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The future is there… looking back at us. Trying to make sense of the fiction we will have become.

-William Gibson

Chris & Kayla finally land the plane on this whole TESCREAL situation.

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*Search Categories*

anthropological; internet culture; science/pseudoscience

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*Topic Spoiler*

TESCREAL "is it a cult or just weird?" evaluation & discussion

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Further Reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TESCREAL#:~:text=TESCREAL%20is%20an%20acronym%20neologism,effective%20altruism%2C%20and%20longtermism%22.

https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/13636

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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POV: the Serenity Prayer, but with shoulds instead of cans.

Chris & Kayla attempt to tie the knot between Transhumanism and Eugenics.

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*Search Categories*

Science / Pseudoscience; Anthropological; Destructive

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*Topic Spoiler*

Eugenics

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Further Reading

https://www.britannica.com/science/eugenics-genetics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics

https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=/context/bio_facpubs/article/1001/&path_info=Eugenics__Annals_of_Eugenics_.pdf

The Deceptive Simplicity of Mendelian Genetics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton

https://galton.org/essays/1900-1911/galton-1904-am-journ-soc-eugenics-scope-aims.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Pearson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Davenport

The American Eugenics Records Office

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/cc/2e/cc2e84f2-126f-41a5-a24b-43e093c47b2c/210414-sanger-opposition-claims-p01.pdf

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2020/10/14/why-buck-v-bell-still-matters/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Darrow

The Eugenics Cult, by Clarence Darrow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_evolution_(transhumanism)

https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital-age

https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/silicon-valley-transhumanism-eugenics-information.html

https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-is-eugenics-for-educated-white-liberals/

Making Us New: From Eugenics to Transhumanism in Modernist Culture

https://www.vice.com/en/article/prominent-ai-philosopher-and-father-of-longtermism-sent-very-racist-email-to-a-90s-philosophy-listserv/

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/longtermism-and-eugenics-a-primer/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO

https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/silicon-valley-transhumanism-eugenics-information.html

https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital-age

https://www.vice.com/en/article/prominent-ai-philosopher-and-father-of-longtermism-sent-very-racist-email-to-a-90s-philosophy-listserv/

https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-is-eugenics-for-educated-white-liberals/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_model_of_disability

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Cyborg_Manifesto

https://journals.scholarsportal.info/details/23803312/v05i0001/1_ctm.xml

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/04/the-case-against-perfection/302927/

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No idiot knows that he is an idiot. As a rule, those of small intellectual equipment are so sure of themselves that they are eager to make the race over in their own image. -Clarence Darrow

Chris & Kayla enjoy dunking on one of history's worst ideas.

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*Search Categories*

Science / Pseudoscience; Anthropological; Destructive

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*Topic Spoiler*

Eugenics

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Further Reading

https://www.britannica.com/science/eugenics-genetics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics

https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=/context/bio_facpubs/article/1001/&path_info=Eugenics__Annals_of_Eugenics_.pdf

The Deceptive Simplicity of Mendelian Genetics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton

https://galton.org/essays/1900-1911/galton-1904-am-journ-soc-eugenics-scope-aims.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Pearson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Davenport

The American Eugenics Records Office

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/cc/2e/cc2e84f2-126f-41a5-a24b-43e093c47b2c/210414-sanger-opposition-claims-p01.pdf

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2020/10/14/why-buck-v-bell-still-matters/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Darrow

The Eugenics Cult, by Clarence Darrow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_evolution_(transhumanism)

https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital-age

https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/silicon-valley-transhumanism-eugenics-information.html

https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-is-eugenics-for-educated-white-liberals/

Making Us New: From Eugenics to Transhumanism in Modernist Culture

https://www.vice.com/en/article/prominent-ai-philosopher-and-father-of-longtermism-sent-very-racist-email-to-a-90s-philosophy-listserv/

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/longtermism-and-eugenics-a-primer/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/04/the-case-against-perfection/302927/

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I have often wondered whether a person is justified in neglecting his own family to fight for opportunities for others. -Nelson Mandela

Last week was context... this week we get juicy.

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*Search Categories*

Business; Society & Culture; Common Interest/Fandom

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*Topic Spoiler*

Effective Altruism & Longtermism

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Further Reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism#

https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/ceas-guiding-principles

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/in-continued-defense-of-effective

https://nypost.com/2022/11/21/polyamory-pills-inside-sam-bankman-frieds-ftx-party-pad/

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/10/bankman-frieds-cabal-of-roommates-in-the-bahamas-ran-his-crypto-empire-and-dated-other-employees-have-lots-of-questions/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/19/polyamory-penthouses-and-plenty-of-loans-inside-the-crazy-world-of-ftx

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-03-07/effective-altruism-s-problems-go-beyond-sam-bankman-fried

https://time.com/6252617/effective-altruism-sexual-harassment/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/03/open-ai-sam-altman-chatgpt-gary-marcus-taming-silicon-valley

https://www.thephilosopher1923.org/post/a-mirror-for-tech-bros

https://time.com/6262810/sam-bankman-fried-effective-altruism-alameda-ftx/

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.

- Nelson Henderson

We tackle the final three letters of the TESCREAL acronym, and fight about the future.

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*Search Categories*

Business; Society & Culture; Common Interest/Fandom

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*Topic Spoiler*

Effective Altruism & Longtermism

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Further Reading

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20231009-ftxs-sam-bankman-fried-believed-in-effective-altruism-what-is-it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/17/effective-altruism-sam-bankman-fried-ftx-crypto/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism#

https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/ceas-guiding-principles

https://commons.pacificu.edu/work/sc/a3bc869a-d6aa-4bb4-837b-3dcf6847199e

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23298870/effective-altruism-longtermism-will-macaskill-future

https://theconversation.com/longtermism-why-the-million-year-philosophy-cant-be-ignored-193538

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220805-what-is-longtermism-and-why-does-it-matter

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2021/11/3/22760718/patient-philanthropy-fund-charity-longtermism

Adams, Carol J.; Crary, Alice; Gruen, Lori, eds. (2023). The Good it Promises, The Harm it Does: Critical Essays on Effective Altruism. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/in-continued-defense-of-effective

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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We're not earthly beings any more... we're cosmic beings. - Eden Ahbez

Two episodes in one to grapple with the origins of a cosmic concept, and its future among the stars.

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*Search Categories*

Science / Pseudoscience

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*Topic Spoiler*

Russian Cosmism and modern Cosmism

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Further Reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Fyodorov_(philosopher)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Goertzel

https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/13636/11606

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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Time isn't the only thing the FDA is killing. - ACT UP slogan

Chris & Kayla grapple with the intense nuance presented by the Church of Perpetual Life and the Life Extension Foundation.

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*Search Categories*

Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom

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*Topic Spoiler*

Bill Faloon, The Church of Perpetual Life, and the FDA

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Further Reading

https://www.churchofperpetuallife.org/

https://www.youtube.com/@COPL18/featured

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Faloon

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/1999/1/fda-standing-in-the-way-of-progress

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/theyre-gonna-live-forever-6363863

https://www.actuporalhistory.org/actions/seize-control-of-the-fda

https://www.archivebuttons.com/articles?article=https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/before-occupy-how-aids-activists-seized-control-of-the-fda-in-1988/249302/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_UP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_freedom_movement

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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How could I enjoy a yacht if I know we're all going to die and disappear?

- Bill Faloon

Chris & Kayla head back to Church to learn more about the man behind the curtain.

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*Search Categories*

Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom

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*Topic Spoiler*

Bill Faloon & The Church of Perpetual Life

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Further Reading

https://www.churchofperpetuallife.org/

https://www.youtube.com/@COPL18/featured

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Faloon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_Research_%26_Longevity_Society

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/1993/01/31/the-big-chill-7/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/society-gala-used-sell-young-093510021.html

https://www.vice.com/en/article/9a3kwe/the-church-of-perpetual-life

https://www.popsci.com/forever-man-immortality-science/

https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/bill-faloon-and-saul-kent-major-figures-in-cryonics-movement-start-a-church-in-hollywood-6969096

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/south-florida-church-pursues-eternal-life-through-cryonics-inflaming-critics-and-the-irs-7608632

Bill Faloon: A Life Long Quest To Reverse Human Aging!

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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Aging and Death can be Optional...We Choose Life & Health.

Chris & Kayla head to church to learn how the Creator wants us to live forever.

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Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom

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*Topic Spoiler*

The Church of Perpetual Life

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Further Reading

https://www.churchofperpetuallife.org/

https://www.youtube.com/@COPL18/featured

https://cryonics.miraheze.org/wiki/Church_of_Perpetual_Life

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/south-florida-church-pursues-eternal-life-through-cryonics-inflaming-critics-and-the-irs-7608632

https://transcend.me/blogs/supplementation/what-supplements-does-ray-kurzweil-take-and-why

https://www.wired.com/story/bioviva-gene-therapies-liz-parrish-longevity/

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD

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🎵 it's like 10^58 motes 🎵 when all you neeeed is a torture 🎵

Chris & Kayla discuss the third & final piece of Émile Torres's interview.

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Anthropological; Science / Pseudoscience; Common interest / Fandom; Internet Culture

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*Topic Spoiler*

TESCREAL & interview with Dr. Émile P. Torres

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Further Reading

Dr. Émile P. Torres's Website

Dr. Émile P. Torres Wikipedia

Dr. Émile P. Torres Twitter

Dr Torres & Dr Gebru's joint paper on TESCREAL

Interesting claim that the existence of birth control means we're already Transhuman (and therefore have lots of evidence about its effects)

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Jenny Lamb, Matthew Walden, Rebecca Kirsch, Pam Westergard, Ryan Quinn, Paul Sweeney, Erin Bratu, Liz T, Lianne Cole, Samantha Bayliff, Katie Larimer, Fio H, Jessica Senk, Proper Gander, Nancy Carlson, Carly Westergard-Dobson, banana, Megan Blackburn, Instantly Joy, Athena of CaveSystem, John Grelish, Rose Kerchinske, Annika Ramen, Alicia Smith, Kevin, Velm, Dan Malmud, tiny, Dom, Tribe Label - Panda - Austin, Noelle Hoover, Tesa Hamilton, Nicole Carter, Paige, Brian Lancaster, tiny, GD