Cybersecurity teams deal with complex, emotional, high-pressure work every day, yet the industry still leans on generic padlocks, fear-driven messages, and copy-paste visuals. For Sara Carty and Kelly Allen, Co-Founders of Unboring, this gap between the reality of cyber and the way it is marketed became impossible to ignore.

Sara brings 15+ years in high-growth tech startups and ongoing doctoral research in Cyber Diplomacy, giving her a deep view into how influence, trust, and communication shape cyber decision-making. Kelly adds over a decade of award-winning cybersecurity marketing experience, where her sensitivity to tone, emotion, and cognitive load shaped her belief that different minds create better stories. Together, they built Unboring as a place where human insight, neurodiverse thinking, and clear strategy come together to help cyber companies communicate with more relevance and originality.

In this episode of the Cult Products Podcast from Yaya, host Phill Keaney-Bolland speaks with Kelly Allen and Sara Carty, Co-Founders of Unboring, about why cybersecurity marketing has become repetitive, how emotional awareness strengthens messaging, and why bold creative only works when tied to a clear value proposition. They break down the role of brand as a stabilising system for teams with different working styles, the impact of ICP clarity on sales and marketing alignment, and what actually works at events when everyone claims to be “AI-powered.”

What You’ll Learn:

• Why cybersecurity marketing became predictable and how to break out of the pattern
• How emotional and neurodiverse perspectives strengthen brand storytelling
• Why bold ideas must connect to real product value
• How consistency and simple systems help teams with different working styles succeed
• The role of customer research in shaping strong value propositions
• Why clear ICPs reduce wasted effort across sales and marketing
• How brand shows up in overlooked parts of the business: onboarding, invoicing, internal comms
• What actually works at events when everyone claims to be “AI-powered”
• How clarity, focus, and repetition build brands that last

Episode Resources:

• Kelly Allen on LinkedIn
• Sara Carty on LinkedIn
• Unboring Website
• Phill Keaney-Bolland on LinkedIn
• Yaya’s Website

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Every founder dreams of clarity. For Justin Woody, that meant turning decades in enterprise cybersecurity, at IBM, Mandiant, and Claroty, into a focused mission: building Twine, an AI-powered identity platform designed for a top-down approach to cyber operations.

In this episode of the Cult Products Podcast from Yaya, host Phill Keaney-Bolland speaks with Justin Woody, Co-Founder of Twine Security, about growing Claroty, launching Twine, and the lessons behind building a top-down cybersecurity platform in an age of AI agents. Justin explains how his team validated their idea through over 250 in-depth conversations, what it takes to secure first customers, and why trade shows and innovation competitions only work when you turn visibility into trust.

What You’ll Learn:

• How Justin’s time at Claroty shaped Twine’s culture of focus and speed
• The 250-conversation validation process that led Twine to prioritise identity risk
• Why trust, not marketing, is the new sales currency in cybersecurity
• How to prepare and stand out at trade shows and competitions like RSA Sandbox
• What it takes to translate early interviews into design partners and first customers
• Why the best founders do fewer things, but with deeper intent and measurable impact
• How to build a vertical moat in an LLM-dominated landscape

Episode Resources:

• Justin Woody on LinkedIn
• Twine Security Website
• Phill Keaney-Bolland on LinkedIn
• Yaya’s Website

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Modern House: https://www.themodernhouse.com/

Summary
In this conversation, the hosts discuss the challenges of standing out in competitive markets, particularly in the context of product differentiation. They introduce the Cult Products Framework, emphasising the importance of having a revolutionary vision and a unique value proposition. The discussion highlights the significance of niching down and creating a unique customer experience, as well as the balance between growth and maintaining brand integrity.

takeaways

• You will always struggle to get people's attention in a crowded market.
• Standing out requires a unique value proposition.
• Niche marketing can lead to better market capture.
• Creating a unique customer experience is essential.
• Differentiation by design is crucial for success.
• Modern House exemplifies a successful niche brand.
• Maintaining brand integrity is challenging as businesses grow.
• It's important to attract the right customers and repel the wrong ones.
• The cult products framework simplifies business growth strategies.
• A strong brand can create a sense of community among customers.

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In this episode, the hosts discuss various topics ranging from the organisation of bookshelves to the intricacies of branding and the recent rebranding of Jaguar. They explore the importance of strategy in branding, the creation of brand narratives, and the balance between creativity and strategic goals. The conversation culminates in a critique of Jaguar's new branding approach, highlighting the potential disconnect between the brand's traditional customer base and its new target audience.

takeaways

• Organizing bookshelves can reflect personal style and chaos.
• Branding requires a clear strategy to be effective.
• Brand narratives help bring a brand to life.
• Creativity in branding should align with strategic goals.
• The transition from strategy to branding is crucial.
• Understanding the target audience is key in branding.
• Feedback from clients should guide creative processes.
• Branding should not alienate existing customers.
• The balance of aesthetics and functionality is important in design.
• Rebranding can provoke strong reactions from traditional customers.

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🎙️ Does your brand stand out, or is it lost in the pack?

In this episode of the Cult Products Podcast, we explore what makes a brand truly effective—and spoiler alert: it’s not about flashy graphics or catchy slogans. We dive into the Blue Ocean Strategy to show you how to make your brand the obvious choice in a crowded market.

Key Takeaways:

• 🎮 Learn how Nintendo created a "category of one" and redefined its market.
• 💡 Discover what David Attenborough can teach us about brand storytelling.
• 🖌️ Understand why copying competitors is a dead end—and what to do instead.

Whether you're refining your brand or starting fresh, this episode is packed with actionable insights to help you carve out your unique space and grow your start-up.

Looking for more tips? Connect with Phill on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillbolland/

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In this episode, the hosts discuss the intricacies of branding, emphasizing the importance of a well-defined value proposition and understanding target audiences through detailed personas. They explore the challenges of balancing buyer and user personas, and the necessity for brands to remain adaptable in a fast-paced market. The conversation highlights the evolution of branding practices and the need for continuous engagement with brand identity.

takeaways
The first step in branding is defining the value proposition.
Clients often want visuals before understanding their brand's strategy.
Understanding your target audience is crucial for effective branding.
Buyer personas often take precedence over user personas in branding.
Branding is an ongoing process that requires regular updates and adaptations.
The emotional intelligence aspect of branding is as important as the logical framework.
Creating detailed personas can lead to more effective branding strategies.
Brands should be seen as living entities that evolve over time.
The branding process can be mentally taxing but is essential for clarity.
A clear value proposition helps guide the branding process.

Chapters
00:00 The Importance of Branding Strategy
11:48 Understanding Your Target Market
19:56 Creating Customer Personas
23:08 Understanding Target Personas
26:15 Buyer vs. User Personas
29:05 Value Proposition Development
34:12 Navigating the Competitive Landscape
37:09 The Fluid Nature of Branding
39:40End

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In this episode Phill talks to Finn, the founder of Both &, and discusses the journey of creating a fashion brand specifically designed for trans and non-binary individuals. The discussion covers various themes including the importance of community engagement, the challenges of designing an entirely new approach to clothing ecommerce, becoming a figurehead in the community, and the future of the brand. Finn shares insights on navigating visibility in the fashion industry, the iterative design process, and the importance of building a diverse network. The conversation concludes with his personal reflections for aspiring founders.

Takeaways

• How Finn approached redesigning some of the most common design patterns in clothing ecommerce.
• Design Sprints and extensive design research informed several unique features required to make the web UX work.
• Community engagement has been crucial in shaping the brand's direction and offerings.
• Finn founded Both And to address a personal need for better fitting clothing, which helped him keep going throught the tough times.
• Open-sourcing the brand's tech packs to encourage industry collaboration should make the research project have even more impact beyond Both And.
• It's not always easy to put yourself out there as a community figurehead but it may be the right thing for your brand.

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In this episode of the Cult Products podcast, host Phill Keaney-Bolland and accountant Dave Sellick delve into the often-overlooked world of accounting and finance for startups. They discuss the emotional journey of founders, the creativity involved in accounting, and the importance of having a trustworthy accountant. Dave shares practical advice for early-stage startups, emphasising the need for financial literacy and the value of having an accountant from day one. The conversation highlights the significance of understanding the emotional and practical aspects of running a business, and how the right financial guidance can lead to better decision-making and overall success.

Takeaways:

• Accounting can be exciting and creative.
• Founders often start businesses to solve personal pain points.
• Building a business requires creativity and innovation.
• Trust is essential when choosing an accountant.
• Startups should seek financial advice early on.
• Automating finance processes saves time and improves data quality.
• Understanding financial information is crucial for business success.
• The emotional journey of founders impacts their business decisions.
• Accountants should be collaborative and transparent.
• Financial literacy is important for all business owners.

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In this episode of the Cult Products Podcast, hosts Adam Yaya-Durrant and Alexandra Pointet discuss the challenges and experiences of transitioning from traditional employment to entrepreneurship. They delve into topics such as imposter syndrome, the importance of mentorship, adaptability in roles, and the dynamics of building a team. The conversation emphasizes the need for continuous learning and the inevitability of change in the entrepreneurial journey.

takeaways
Imposter syndrome is a common challenge for entrepreneurs.
Adaptability is crucial when transitioning from employee to entrepreneur.
Mentorship can provide invaluable support and guidance.
It's important to embrace change and be willing to learn new skills.
Building a strong team requires understanding each member's strengths and weaknesses.
Financial management is a key aspect of running a business.
Establishing a good relationship with an accountant can save money in the long run.
Consistency and discipline are essential for self-motivated entrepreneurs.
The people element of business can be complex but rewarding.
Your role in a startup will evolve and change over time.

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In this episode of the Cult Products podcast, host Alexandra Pointet interviews Phill Keaney-Bolland and Adam Yaya-Durrant about their journey in starting and growing their agency, Yaya. They discuss their initial meeting, the challenges they faced in the startup world, the pivotal moments that led them to launch their own business, and the lessons learned along the way. The conversation also touches on the impact of the pandemic on their growth and the importance of continuous learning in entrepreneurship.

takeaways
Starting a business is one of the most mentally and physically challenging things you can do.
Having a strong partnership is crucial for navigating the ups and downs of entrepreneurship.
Emotional support networks are vital in high-pressure environments.
The decision to start Yaya was driven by a desire for autonomy and a shared vision.
Naming a business can be a challenging yet important process.
Milestones in business often come from unexpected moments and decisions.
The pandemic presented both challenges and opportunities for growth.
Continuous learning is essential for long-term success in business.
Building a team is a significant milestone that changes the dynamics of a business.
Reflecting on past experiences helps in making informed decisions for the future.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Host Dynamics
01:31 The Beginning of a Partnership
04:17 Navigating Startup Life
10:18 The Decision to Start Yaya
16:07Naming the Business and Value Proposition
28:10 Defining Value Propositions and Initial Offerings
30:34Milestones in Establishing Yaya
32:55 Learning Through Experience: Early Challenges and Growth
35:59 Key Milestones
38:09 Navigating the Pandemic: Challenges and Opportunities
42:42 Reflections on Growth: Learning from Mistakes
46:19 The Importance of Continuous Learning in Business
52:41 Building a Strong Team: The Role of Partnership
58:38 Wrap up and goodbyes
01:02:23 end

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