Episode 70: Broad on a Couch

This week’s prompts: 1717, Arena, Titian Red

Neal and Lauren kick off the post–Thanksgiving stretch with an episode powered by heating pads, sunglasses, and sheer stubbornness. Neal shows up bundled in a hood, nursing shoulder pain and a barometric-pressure headache, while Lauren juggles the last week of classes, giant waitlists, and adjunct life.

Neal takes “Arena” (and a little bit of “Titian Red”) straight into The Running Man (1987), the gaudy, neon-drenched Arnold Schwarzenegger cult classic loosely based on Stephen King’s Richard Bachman novel. He breaks down how the original bleak, globe-spanning manhunt of the book got reshaped into a gladiatorial TV deathmatch; why King refused to have his real name on the movie; and how the film swaps an everyman desperate to save his sick daughter for an ultra-jacked, framed helicopter pilot with an endless supply of one-liners. From American Gladiators–style stalkers (Fireball! Sub-Zero! Dynamo in a light-up diaper!) to Richard Dawson’s inspired turn as sadistic game show host Damon Killian, Neal unpacks the casting, the chaotic production history (multiple directors, Starsky-as-director Paul Michael Glaser, and hurt feelings from Arnold), and the bizarrely prescient “deepfake” climax that confused 1980s audiences. He also looks ahead to Edgar Wright’s new, more book-faithful adaptation starring Glenn Powell — complete with a blessing from Arnold himself.

Meanwhile, Lauren grabs “Titian Red” and delivers a lush, art-historical love letter to Titian, the 16th-century Venetian master whose women, fabrics, and hair basically rewired Western painting. She traces his path from Bellini workshop kid to international court painter for dukes, popes, and emperors; explains how his portrait Man with a Quilted Sleeve inspired Rembrandt; and then settles into a sensual close-reading of the Venus of Urbino. Is she a mythic goddess? A high-end courtesan? A new bride waiting in a palace bedroom while the ladies root through her dowry chest? Lauren breaks down the jewelry, the sleepy dog of fidelity, the flowers, the direct eye contact, and why a bit of strategic nudity plus a mythological fig leaf made it “okay” for a not-so-celibate cardinal-in-training to hang in his room. She closes with Titian’s late “magic impressionism,” his plague-era death, and how “Titian hair” became shorthand for rich red locks all the way to Anne of Green Gables.

In between, the two take a detour into modern stardom and the Glenn Powell Industrial Complex: Tom Cruise mentorship, Hollywood’s desperate search for the next capital-M Movie Star, Roman Reigns as a wrestling parallel, and why the studio machine trying to manufacture a “relatable leading man” feels a lot more obvious in the age of Instagram, fan cams, and micro-fandoms.

PLUS:
🎮 The Running Man as proto–reality TV fever dream
📺 Richard Dawson weaponizing his game show charm as a dystopian villain
⚡ Opera-singing stalkers, flamethrowers, and the most 80s cast list imaginable
🖼️ Titian’s Venus of Urbino and the long, horny history of “it’s not porn, it’s mythology”
🧡 “Titian red” hair, Renaissance fashion as identity, and why jewelry makes nudes feel even more naked
🌟 Glenn Powell, Tom Cruise, and Hollywood’s struggle to mint a new generation of marquee names

Next week’s prompts: Goldenrod, 919, Hat

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Episode 69: Podcast Therapy

This week’s prompts: Turquoise, 110, Watermark

Neal and Lauren fight through Thanksgiving-week chaos, closet recording, AirPods audio, and a brutal Zoom delay to bring you an episode that accidentally turns into group therapy — in the best way.

Lauren takes “turquoise” straight to the American Southwest by way of Wisconsin with a rich, nuanced dive into the life and work of Georgia O’Keeffe. From her early training at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago and the Art Students League, to her complicated relationship with photographer and champion Alfred Stieglitz, Lauren traces how O’Keeffe moved from charcoal abstraction to monumental flowers, New York skyscrapers, and the bone-and-desert landscapes of Ghost Ranch. Along the way, she busts the “vagina flower” myth, talks about O’Keeffe’s resistance to being labeled a “woman artist,” and explains why the artist’s prickly independence still makes her feel so modern — even as her paintings disappear into private collections.

Meanwhile, Neal grabs the “110” prompt and goes full pressure-cooker with Falling Down (1993), Joel Schumacher’s tense, divisive portrait of a man who absolutely should have gone to therapy instead of terrorizing Los Angeles. He walks us through Michael Douglas’s infamous D-FENS — short-sleeve shirt, flat-top, briefcase, and all — and the film’s odyssey structure, from the overpriced soda in the corner store to the legendary Whammy Burger breakfast meltdown and a horrifying detour through a neo-Nazi surplus shop. Neal digs into the film’s early-’90s LA context, its connection to American rage, economic anxiety, and white male grievance, and why the final “I’m the bad guy?” moment still hits uncomfortably hard.

Then, in true Podcast Therapy fashion, the conversation swerves into real talk: male loneliness, the thin line between anger and sadness, revenge as a brain addiction, and why misery might be more contagious than we think. Lauren breaks down anger and grief as “roommates,” Neal brings in a book about the neuroscience of revenge, and together they make a compelling case that a lot of what we call “snapping” is really untreated sadness… plus a broken air conditioner.

PLUS:
💐 Georgia O’Keeffe’s flowers, bones, and “witch of the Southwest” era
🏜️ Ghost Ranch, feminist iconography, and why she hated everyone’s interpretations
🚗 Road rage, the 110, and the early-’90s LA anxiety baked into Falling Down
🍔 The Whammy Burger scene and the fantasy of yelling “this doesn’t look like the picture!”
🧠 Anger vs. sadness, revenge circuitry, and why men will literally shoot up Los Angeles instead of going to therapy

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Episode 68: Maybe It’s Ghibelline

This week’s prompts: Charcoal, Record, 1265, Story

Neal and Lauren dive into political chaos, medieval poetry beef, and paranoid thrillers for an episode that swings from 13th-century Florence to 1980s Philadelphia.

Lauren takes the year 1265 and spins it into a fiery tour through Dante Alighieri’s life, exile, enemies, and the giant, cosmic fanfiction we now call The Divine Comedy. She breaks down the Guelphs vs. Ghibellines feud (and then the even pettier White vs. Black Guelph split), how Dante wrote in Italian instead of Latin to reshape an entire language, and why Beatrice lives rent-free in the author’s imagination. From the nine circles of Hell to that iconic three-part afterlife road trip with Virgil as tour guide, Lauren untangles how one poet turned politics, heartbreak, and theology into the most influential self-insert narrative in history.

Meanwhile, Neal takes “Record” literally with Brian De Palma’s Blow Out (1981) — the sound-obsessed, paranoia-drenched thriller where John Travolta accidentally captures audio evidence of an assassination. Neal digs into De Palma’s cinematic lineage, how Blow Out riffs on Blow-Up and The Conversation, why the film basically invented its own genre of political dread, and the glorious insanity of the director’s beloved split-diopter shots. Expect Travolta love, Nancy Allen appreciation, Lithgow creepiness, and a crash-course in De Palma’s entire filmmaking DNA.

PLUS:
🔥 Dante’s exile and the pettiest political grudges of medieval Italy
📚 Why The Divine Comedy shaped the afterlife in Western art
🎙️ Blow Out and the conspiracy thriller hall of fame
🔪 John Lithgow doing John Lithgow things
🎥 Split diopters, deep focus, and De Palma’s visual mischief

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Episode 67: Sisyphean Endeavor

This week’s prompts: Automatic, Peach, 88

Neal and Lauren brave snow, slush, and Sisyphean car scraping for a cozy winter episode filled with musicals, surrealism, and just the right amount of existential dread.

Neal kicks things off by greasing the wheels of nostalgia with Grease (1978) — the leather-clad, pop-perfect, Chicago-born musical that became a worldwide phenomenon. He dives into the scrappy origins of the stage show at Kingston Mines, its wild Broadway success, and the unlikely road to Hollywood superstardom. You’ll learn how Travolta stole a solo, how Olivia Newton-John got sewn into her pants, and why half the cast was pushing thirty while pretending to be in homeroom. From the palm-tree fights to the palm-sweat dance scenes, Neal proves that Grease remains the slickest high school fantasy ever committed to film.

Meanwhile, Lauren spotlights British surrealist Eithel Colquhoun, a painter, writer, and practicing occultist who turned the mystical and macabre into fine art. She explores Colquhoun’s lifelong obsession with alchemy, magic, and androgyny; her expulsion from the British Surrealist Group for being “too into the occult”; and the recent Tate St. Ives retrospective that finally gave her due. From her saturated pastels and coral-toned dreamscapes to her fascination with the body as landscape, Colquhoun emerges as a forgotten visionary who painted femininity as both spiritual and subversive.

PLUS:

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Episode 66: One Night at Pita Pit

This week’s prompts: Bear, Five, German

Lauren takes us deep into the strange and hypnotic world of Grizzly Man (2005), Werner Herzog’s haunting documentary about Timothy Treadwell, the self-proclaimed bear protector who lived — and died — among Alaska’s brown bears. She explores Herzog’s icy narration, the infamous unseen audio tape, and the way the director blurs the line between empathy and existential dread. Along the way, we get side trips through Burden of Dreams, My Best Fiend, and a Herzog TikTok rabbit hole that proves the director might just be one long performance piece.

Meanwhile, Neal celebrates the strange majesty of German cinema — from the Expressionist shadows of The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari to Karl Freund, the cinematographer who quite literally unchained the camera and later revolutionized sitcoms with I Love Lucy. He traces how Weimar–era innovations birthed horror classics like Dracula and The Mummy, and why every three-camera comedy owes a debt to one very determined German technician.

PLUS:
🐻 The doomed devotion of Grizzly Man
🎥 When Herzog promised to eat his shoe — and did
🧛 How Nosferatu inspired Hollywood horror
📺 The German who lit I Love Lucy (and every sitcom since)
💀 Werner Herzog: philosopher, filmmaker, and accidental meme lord

Next week’s prompts: Automatic, Peach, 88

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Episode 65: Inherent Vice... but not the movie

Prompts: 1220, Sage, Newspaper

We’re back to our regularly scheduled programming! After a mini panic involving corrupted files and cloud sleuthing, Neal and Lauren are reunited in glorious audio form. Thank you, Riverside, and thank you, listeners, for your patience!

In this episode, Neal grabs the morning edition and dives deep into His Girl Friday (1940) — Howard Hawks’s screwball masterpiece that forever changed Hollywood dialogue. You’ll hear about Cary Grant’s rapid-fire wit, Rosalind Russell’s secret joke writer, the gender-flipped origin story from The Front Page, and why the movie’s 191-page script clocks in at over 300 words a minute. Neal breaks down Hawks’s deceptively simple directing style, the film’s public-domain afterlife, and how His Girl Friday helped shape everything from Gilmore Girls to Aaron Sorkin.

Then Lauren turns the page to fine art and unpacks the life and legacy of Jasper Johns — the still-living legend of postwar American art. From flags and targets to encaustic wax and found newspapers, she traces how Johns blurred the line between abstraction and realism, pioneered “things the mind already knows,” and shared a creative (and romantic) spark with Robert Rauschenberg. Expect lessons in preservation, a crash course in art movements, and the revelation that Johns plans to turn his Connecticut estate into a creative haven after his death.

Also this week:
📬 A new patron joins the Curated by Chance family.
📚 Book Club updates (and a few reader confessions).
🪶 A porch-side dad review!

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Episode 64: It Go Up

Prompts: Crimson, 1514, Scream

Part two of our first-ever split episode experiment! Last week, Lauren took us deep into Raphael, the Renaissance bromance, and a corrupted file fiasco. This week, Neal takes the mic to resurrect horror—literally.

Neal dives into Scream (1996), the Wes Craven–directed, Kevin Williamson–penned meta-slasher that saved an entire genre. From the true-crime story that inspired it to the 12-year-old who convinced Craven to direct, this one’s packed with the behind-the-scenes chaos that made Scream a cult legend. You’ll hear how Drew Barrymore changed horror history, how the Weinsteins nearly fired Wes Craven over the dailies, and how a random Halloween store mask became Ghostface.

Plus:
🎬 The voice actor who turned “What’s your favorite scary movie?” into an icon
📺 Why Scream led to Dawson’s Creek
💀 The NC-17 fight, the infamous Santa Rosa school board snub, and why “Faster, better, more blood” became the mantra on set

Lauren gets her dad’s porch-side review (spoiler: “No likey”), and the curators debate couple costumes, haunted house plans, and the perfect fall shower window breeze.

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Episode 63: Warrior Pope

Prompts: Crimson, 1514, Scream

First of all curators, thank you for your patience! We recorded a great episode and ALL our files were corrupted! We lost basically 90 minutes of great content. We dug deep, and were able to get a backup of a backup of a backup from our recording program. It might be slightly lesser quality, but it's preserved!

In this episode, Lauren tackles one of the holy trinity of renaissance painters, Raphael, and some of his artworks and relationship with Michelangelo! It truly sounds like they could have had a buddy cop movie relationship. Then...

Surprise! Since Lauren gave us a really interesting and exhaustive look at Raphael, and the file conundrum, we decided to split our topics into two episodes. So you'll hear Neal talk about his topic, in-depth, next week.

Let us know how you like this format. I.e. one of us talks about a topic for the 45-60 minutes which might open up some more conversational aspects. It's an experiment and we're here for it! Have no fear, next week is Neal's topic, and then we'll go back to regularly scheduled programming unless you like this format and we can experiment more! Huzzah!

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Episode 62: Dad Reviews from the Porch

This week’s prompts: Justice, 79, Platinum

It’s the Curated by Chance new year, and Neal and Lauren celebrate their “paper” anniversary with horses, hats, and ghost directors. Neal saddles up for Tombstone (1993), the cult Western classic that survived chaos, cast shakeups, and a ghost director—literally. He dives into Kurt Russell’s secret takeover, Val Kilmer’s ice-cold commitment as Doc Holliday, and how Tombstone beat Kevin Costner’s rival Wyatt Earp to the draw. You’ll learn about on-set meltdowns, 134-degree wool suits, and why even Bob Dylan couldn’t stop quoting the film.

Meanwhile, Lauren unpacks the sugar-coated genius (and controversy) of artist Kara Walker’s 2014 installation A Subtlety, a massive sphinx made of sugar inside Brooklyn’s Domino Sugar Factory. From its towering form and commentary on race and labor to its uneasy reception among largely white audiences, Lauren explores how Walker uses beauty, history, and shock to confront viewers with America’s racist past. Plus: an accidental detour into equine photography, museum insight, and how an artist can lose control of their own work once it’s released into the world.

PLUS:
🤠 The twin-film showdown of Tombstone vs. Wyatt Earp
🍬 Kara Walker’s sugar sphinx and the art world’s sticky double standards
🐴 The accidental discovery of horse photographer Carol Walker
🩸 Val Kilmer’s bed of ice and the hottest costumes in Western history

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Episode 61: Dave Bautista in a Wig

This week’s prompts: Dice, Aubergine, 150

Lauren returns from France with baguette-fueled stories of business class decadence, wine-fueled tears at the Musée d’Orsay, and a new appreciation for Patrick, the most patient flight attendant in the skies. Somewhere between Bridgemix, focaccia, and a Luther Vandross doc, she finds time to catch The Last Showgirl (2024). Pamela Anderson trades Baywatch red for rhinestones and vulnerability in Gia Coppola’s indie portrait of a Vegas showgirl past her prime, with scene-stealing turns from Jamie Lee Curtis and Dave Bautista (in a wig, no less). Lauren unpacks the film’s vérité style, its bittersweet beats, and how Anderson nearly missed the role thanks to her own agent.

Meanwhile, Neal heads to Reno (cinematically) with Hard Eight (1996), Paul Thomas Anderson’s little-seen debut. From Sundance labs to studio battles over the title (Sydney vs. Hard Eight), Neal dives into how PTA fought for his cut, drew powerhouse performances from Philip Baker Hall, John C. Reilly, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Samuel L. Jackson, and laid the groundwork for Boogie Nights and beyond. It’s a story of craps, character studies, and a director learning how to lose battles but win the war.

PLUS:
🍷 Lauren’s business-class champagne strategy (spoiler: drink it all)
🎭 Pamela Anderson’s comeback and Jamie Lee Curtis going full frosty-lipstick brassy
🎲 Casino scams, improvised Philip Seymour Hoffman, and PTA vs. the studios
📼 Why The Last Showgirl is Pamela’s The Wrestler

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