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  • #3: Terrell McTyer: Inclusion

    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Terrell McTyer, who serves as the Minister of New Church Strategies for the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States and Canada. He is the founding pastor of Manifestation Christian Center (Kansas City, MO) which was an innovative, cause-driven gathering of young people steeped in unique tactics for discipleship, social enterprise and leadership development. Today, Terrell works to teach, equip, assist and multiply leaders through the New Church Ministry with an aim to increase missional efficacy and efficiency towards starting sustainable, world-changing churches. 

    Terrell also wrote a chapter in Cyclical's new book, Faithful Innovation, about inclusion, which he discusses on today's podcast. To find out more about Terrell McTyer you can visit www.NewChurchMinistry.org or www.NewChurchHacks.com. 

    Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including "

    39 min
  • #2: Bethany Fox: Healing

    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Rev. Dr. Bethany McKinney Fox, the Director of Spiritual Formation for Cyclical LA. She is the organizing pastor of Beloved Everybody Church in Los Angeles, an ability-inclusive community where people with and without intellectual and other disabilities lead and participate together. Her recent book Disability and the Way of Jesus (2019, IVP Academic) explores how to follow the healing way of Jesus to create communities of mutual thriving. 

    She also wrote a chapter in Cyclical INC's recent book, Faithful Innovation, which we discuss in our dialogue. You can get the book at cyclicalchurches.com/faithful-innovation-book

    Here are some quotes from today's interview: 

    • "God is wildly free and can do anything that God wants to do to heal a person's body."
    • "Even if a person is dying, that doesn't mean that there isn't healing happening there."
    • "What's happening in your body matters."
    • "When we're in worship, it's often a wall of words. The reality is we're embodied."
    • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. 

      24 min
    • #1: Shelton Oakley Hersey: Introduction to Faithful Innovation

      In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Shelton Oakley Hersey. Shelton has worked cross-culturally as community development specialist, social entrepreneur, and pastor. Shelton is a certified spiritual director, leading and designing retreats for contemplative reflection. She currently works as a consultant with Nuos Formation and as the Program Director for the Dignity Project. She lives with her husband and daughter in Boston where they share a passion for building community where everyone is included and valued as one made in the image of God. 

      Shelton also wrote the introductory chapter to Faithful Innovation (Cyclical Publishing, 2020), which she discusses in today's podcast. 

      Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including 

      37 min
    • #12: Season 1 Mixdown

      In the final episode of season 1, producers Brianna Kinsman and Brendan McClenahan talk with Nick Warnes about Cyclial Podcast Season 1. What did we learn from these practitioners? What highlights emerged? What was surprising? 

      Season 2 is coming soon. Please subscribe to this podcast to make sure you get Season 2 as soon as it is released. 

      In the meantime, join us for our first Cyclical INC conference, Faithful Innovation: Beginning a Conversation for a Post-Covid Church. As a registrant, you'll get a paperback copy of our newly released book of the same title. You can register at cyclicalchurches.com/events.

      34 min
    • #11: Jeya So: Loving the Church You're Starting

      In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Rev. Jeya So, one of the founding co-pastors of Anchor City Church - a Third-Culture community - in San Diego, California and is also a coach and cohort leader of new church planters for PCUSA's 1001 NWC and an online cohort director for Cyclical PCC. She loves learning about and being in spaces of new church dreamers and innovators and seeing new ways in which the ancient message is being expressed in current contexts. Her newest dream is starting a food pantry for Asian-American seniors. To find out more about Jeya So you can visit anchorcity.org. Her IG and FB is anchorcitysd. 

      Here are some quotes from today's interview: 

      • "I said, 'I can't talk bout things I hate anymore...I want to talk about things I love and dream about.' And that made us realize [church starting] was something we were being called to."  
      • "We felt like we didn't fit the profile [of church planters] at first."  
      • "God has placed dreams in your life for the corporate life of the church." 
      •  "You get to have a voice in what happens...you get to determine what the life of the church will be."  
      • "We didn't see the exponential growth people expected... but that was never the dream. There were a lot of things that were becoming possible with just 50 to 100 of us." 
      • "As an Asian-American church, we always wanted to be a place for people outside of the church." 
      • "They kept saying, "Why can't we just hire someone?" Finally, we said this is just the way that it is." 
      • "As much as I thought this work was for other people, it was so formative for myself.
      • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. 

        There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including our upcoming conference. Virtually every church around the world has been impacted by COVID-19 and we are all now in various stages of it. It can be hard to trace the threads of how to understand the church and your role in it and what kind of priorities we should be paying attention to right now. We are gathering a group of ecclesial innovators from across our international network for a conference called Faithful Innovation: Beginning a Conversation for a Post-Covid Church. When you register, you'll get the book too: 11 chapters to help you reflect on this unique moment, and make sense of what it means to be church after COVID-19. Register today at cyclicalchurches.com/events.

        50 min
      • #10: Nick Pickrell: Sharing Power

        "In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Nick Pickrell. Nick Pickrell is an activist, pastor and performer in Kansas City. He is the founder and organizer of The Open Table in Kansas City, MO that seeks to be a place of peace and reconciliation in a city divided. He is an administrator and trainer for The Open Table Antiracism Trainings, and board member of Cherith Brook Catholic Worker. He has over 10 years experience doing anti-poverty, anti-racism, and nonviolent communication work, and is active in a number of local peace and justice groups. 

        To find out more about Nick Pickrell you can visit theopentablekc.com, FB: @nickpick00,  and on IG: @nickpickdoesnthaveasmartphone. Here are some quotes from today's interview: 

        • ""I decided to do the thing that made me uncomfortable--and because I didn't want to be bored!""
        • ""We want to make sure we're upholding values that aren't going along with something we don't want to become."" 
        • ""We can't be a church that is about reconciliation if we don't address America's original sin of racism."" 
        • ""The whole process of planting a church...is an exercise in waking up to all my own insecurities."" 
        • ""I've learned how to gather people around in order to share power."" 
        • ""Understand how power works within your organization. Then figure out ways to share that power. Otherwise I fear we will be creating oppressive churches.""   
        • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including our upcoming conference! Virtually every church around the world has been impacted by COVID-19 and we are all now in various stages of it. It can be hard to trace the threads of how to understand the church and your role in it and what kind of priorities we should be paying attention to right now. We are gathering a group of ecclesial innovators from across our international network for a conference called Faithful Innovation: Beginning a Conversation for a Post-Covid Church. When you register, you'll get the book too: 12 chapters to help you reflect on this unique moment, and make sense of what it means to be church after COVID-19. Register today at cyclicalchurches.com/events. "

          51 min
        • #9: Michael Binder: Creating a Discipleship Culture

          In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Michael Binder, a professor, pastor, and church leadership consultant. He is currently on the faculty of Luther Seminary teaching ministry leadership; Michael also serves on the Innovation Team at Luther. He helped start Mill City Church in Northeast Minneapolis in 2008 and continues to serve there. He also consults with congregations and denominations in the U.S. and Canada. He lives in Saint Paul with his wife and three children. To find out more about Michael Binder you can visit @michaelbinder on Twitter. Here are some quotes from today's interview: 

          ""The first time you try something it might fail, and that's ok."" 

          ""What God has taught us over twelve years is how to adapt. So if this is what adaptation looks like post-COVID, we're ready. We've shifted before, we can shift again."" 

          Three Pro Tips for Church Starters: 

          • Pay attention to whatever you think God is saying to you.
          • Be around people who can help you process it well. 
          • You may think you sound crazy -- but that's often a sign God is calling you toward something. 
          • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. 

            There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including our upcoming international online conference on August 12. Virtually every church around the world has been impacted by COVID-19 and we are all now in various stages of it. It can be hard to trace the threads of how to understand the church and your role in it and what kind of priorities we should be paying attention to right now. We are gathering a group of ecclesial innovators from across our international network for a conference called Faithful Innovation: Beginning a Conversation for a Post-Covid Church. When you register, you'll get the book too: 12 chapters to help you reflect on this unique moment, and make sense of what it means to be church after COVID-19. Register today at cyclicalchurches.com/events.

            43 min
          • #8: Jennifer de Combe: Staying Rooted in Community and Practices

            In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Jennifer de Combe. Jen de Combe serves as the Associate Secretary of Canadian Ministries for The Presbyterian Church in Canada. During her time in this role the department has launched two congregational renewal programs and a church planting support initiative in partnership with Cyclical Inc.  She is passionate about discipleship, evangelism and starting new churches.  Jen holds a Master of Sacred Theology from McGill University in Montreal.

             To find out more about Jennifer de Combe you can visit  https://presbyterian.ca/canadian-ministries. 

            Here are some quotes from today's interview:

            • ""You have to establish trust with the people you're reaching. And that doesn't happen overnight."" 
            • ""We really emphasize building care and trust over time."" 
            • ""You have to be building your relationships with your overhead church as well."" 
            • ""I really encourage [new church starters] to partner with a denomination. With a denomination you have history and resources...and a community that stands behind you."" 
            • ""We should innovate and try new forms, but there is something beautiful about having a tradition [behind you] that you can relate to in new ways."" 
            • ""God loves beauty, and we're gifted to worship in that way.""
            • ""From the beginning, identify multiple sources of finance. Don't rely just on presbytery grants."" 
            • ""When you're looking for fundraising streams, look for other foundations and organizations with similar missions to yours, and find out who funds them."" 
            • ""Carve out time every day for spiritual practices.""
            • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. 

              There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including our upcoming conference. Virtually every church around the world has been impacted by COVID-19 and we are all now in various stages of it. It can be hard to trace the threads of how to understand the church and your role in it and what kind of priorities we should be paying attention to right now. We are gathering a group of ecclesial innovators from across our international network for a conference called Faithful Innovation: Beginning a Conversation for a Post-Covid Church. When you register, you'll get the book too: 12 chapters to help you reflect on this unique moment, and make sense of what it means to be church after COVID-19. Register today at cyclicalchurches.com/events.

              44 min
            • #7: Josh James: Struggling with the Sending Church

              In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Josh James. Josh James (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) is a commissioned church starter in the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and pastor of The Restoration Project in Salisbury, Maryland. He and his wife, Kate, have been married for 12 years. They have two sons, Abram (6) and Jude (4). Josh also has a highly curated Netflix queue and has recently become an enthusiast of buying sports cards on eBay. (Yes, that is real.) . To find out more about Josh James you can visit www.restoresby.org, Facebook (www.facebook.com/restoresby). Here are some quotes from today's interview: 

              • “I never thought that I had what it takes to be a pastor.” 
              • “Bad news — there are really no jobs for you. You might want to think about becoming something else…” 
              • “One of my biggest fears is starting a church that feels like a split — and despite our best efforts, it’s always felt one-sided. It was never reciprocated from our sending church.”
              • “It’s hard to tell this story in a way that is honoring to the existing community…”
              • “I started to get burned out being bi-vocational and…living this pastoral call…” 
              • “I think through our weird relationships, we’ve been able to carve out a niche for ourself that doesn’t look like other local ministries.” 
              • “We’ve been leaning into the weirdness of who we are in our context, because there are very few places that have allowed folks to be who they are and pursue Jesus in that way.” 
              • “We don’t feel the pressure to cater to our community in stereo typical ways…” 
              • “I have not idea what it is like to walk in a lot of people’s shoes. Yet here I am ministering in a context where oppression is front-page news all the time. We have the opportunity to minister in light of it.” 
              • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including our new book! Virtually every church around the world has been impacted by COVID-19 and we are all now in various stages of it. It can be hard to trace the threads of how to understand the church and your role in it and what kind of theological priorities we should be paying attention to right now. We gathered a group of ecclesial innovators from across our international network to write a book for you called Faithful Innovation (or something like that). It's 12 chapters to help you reflect on this unique moment, make sense of what it means to be church after COVID-19. Available on July 28.

                47 min
              • #6: Nikki Collins: Bridging Innovation and Denomination

                In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Nikki Collins. The Rev. Nikki Collins is the coordinator for the 1001 New Worshiping Communities (NWC) initiative in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). She previously served as stated clerk and mission coordinator in the Cherokee Presbytery, and prior to that, founded Bare Bulb Coffee, a 1001 NWC in Georgia.

                Nikki’s experience as a leader at the presbytery and NWC level has prepared her to be a bridge and interpreter for new worshiping community projects being developed around the country. She hopes to give additional shape, color and character to the 1001 movement in ways that will help the PC(USA) more fully embrace and learn from new worshiping communities being created.

                Nikki Collins began serving as the Coordinator for 1001 New Worshiping Communities in June 2018.  Previously she served Cherokee Presbytery as Stated Clerk and Mission Coordinator and, before that, as the founder of Bare Bulb Coffee, a rich brew of full-service coffee shop, music and arts venue, and home to a diverse group of disciples committed to shedding light in the world.

                She graduated with a degree in psychology and religion from Wesleyan College in Macon, Georgia and earned her M.Div at Union Presbyterian Seminary in Richmond, Virginia.

                Nikki makes her home in Chattanooga, TN and is the mother of two young adult sons and the shepherd of a herd of spirited dogs and a lazy cat.  She loves to plan a great college football tailgate, paddle a kayak, swing a tennis racket, and dig in the dirt.

                You can learn more about Nikki at newchurchnewway.org  and onethousandone.org

                Here are some quotes from the interview: 

                • ""Where are we really feeling energized as a community? What do we love? And what does that look like for some people...who would love to do this with us, who would be comforted or challenged, or might grow in the ways that the Spirit is...growing us?"" 
                • ""Keep the rent cheap and travel... be in the community. Don't lock yourself into obligations that keep you from being involved with the community."" 
                • ""How does this message translate here? What am I seeing and learning from this person?"" 
                • ""This is a thing we're going to live, and we always have to be checking ourselves on that."" 
                • ""We have to remember to communicate the story [of our community's growth] back to our partners."" 
                • ""...Look for opportunities to give away power and allow my core leaders and team to grow."" 
                • Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. 

                  In the podcast intro, we mentioned other podcasts that can help us learn and grow in antiracism:

                  • Good Ancestors Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Atahbqw5vurttEHrjR7TR?si=zvXpKF4ETOqVbRNKzRNYhg
                  • Scene on Radio, Series is "Seeing White": https://open.spotify.com/show/0ouPKjo1tKkj8V4nNI7mBv?si=Fv-BZt0MTLGgFsTmkKp96g
                  • Reclaiming my Theology: https://open.spotify.com/show/5j3HkxtshOHt5wKxysTuAY?si=hqx3sa06S3WAFOO4hnAbhw
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                  The Cyclical Podcast brings together voices of faithful innovators to gain wisdom, best practices, and post-colonial frameworks to guide you on your journey of leading transformation through the Church.