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  • #5: Martin Garcia: Are You Building a Frankenstein Church?

    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Martin Garcia, who has planted two churches since 1993 when he started his ministry. Martin has also been a consultant for churches of different denominations. Martin has more than 23 years of experience working for the nonprofit sector. He has also taught for several educational institutions.

    Martin is currently is doing a Doctor in Ministry degree in Missional Leadership at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, and is the Temporary Pastor of the Spanish Language Ministry of Pasadena Presbyterian Church. 

    Here are some quotes from the interview: 

    "Today you have people who don't even know what Church is.""

    ""Figure out what it is you want to do. That is going to be the outline for everything else.""

    ""Sometimes they don't even do discernment, they just start without thinking. They just start the worship service, and they are thinking, 'Okay what people want is Hillsong worship.' What they are doing is building a Frankenstein monster that talks but does not have a soul because it does not have a vision or a direction.""

    ""The most critical stage is discernment. If you don't have good discernment, you will be very frustrated."

    Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including the upcoming webinar: Practices of Renewal and Justice on Thursday June 18th at 4pm PST. Register for free at cyclicalchurches.com/events.

    56 min
  • #4: Najuma Smith-Pollard: Starting With No Budget

    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Najuma Smith-Pollard. 

    As program manager for the USC Cecil Murray Center for Community Engagement, the Rev. Najuma Smith-Pollard combines her experience as a pastor and expertise as a community leader to run programs that train pastors to take on civic engagement work. Rev Najuma is the founding Pastor of Word of Encouragement Community Church, in Los Angeles.

    Smith-Pollard also is a motivational speaker and trainer, author, radio personality and community activist. Her areas of expertise Preaching, Women Clergy, Sexual Violence, Faith Leadership, Black Church and Civic Engagement.. Here are some quotes from the interview: 

    ""I'm hearing y'all say you want church. If that's what you want, we need to see that you're consistently attending, growing and giving for a year.""

    ""Tithing is about showing God that we want this.""

    ""I had no budget, no pastor's salary, no praise and worship team, no choir. It was just a vision, the handful of people that were committed to Bible study, and that's it.""

    ""God showed me a dream about a big building, and I was like, 'yeah, right.' I pulled up to the building and it was the same building as the dream.""

    ""I know I'm not gonna see 80% of y'all next Sunday.""

    ""Here's the things we are about: Service to the community, growing spiritually, reaching out to the unchurched and those who have been hurt by church, and civically engaged.""

    ""You don't have all the answers. Listen to the wisdom of others who have done this before.""

    ""Make space for a lot of mistakes.""

    Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including Developing a COVID-19 Ecclesiology, Building a Family Ministry, a newly published book by Lisa Patriquin, PhD, available for free download or for purchase at cyclicalchurches.com/resources.

    48 min
  • #3: Andrea Perrett: When Will You Be a "Real Church"?

    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Andrea Perrett. Working out of Vancouver, Canada, Andrea Perrett is an Associate in New Worshipping Communities at the Centre for Missional Leadership and is the director of two different Cyclical church planting networks. Previously, Andrea has created and led a dinner church, St. Andy’s Community Table and has served at West Point Grey Presbyterian Church in Vancouver. Andrea has an MDiv from Vancouver School of Theology, is a Registered Dietitian, and is currently leading a missional community, the Rain City Baking Circle. 

    Here are some quotes from the interview: 

    “I felt called to do something with food and faith -- something with that spiritual and physical connection.”   

    “I couldn't see myself in a traditional parish...eventually I found out I was talking about church planting.”   

    “Yes, but when will you be a real church?” 

    "Who is the Holy Spirit leading toward you?" 

    Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including Developing a COVID-19 eBook, which you can download for free along with other resources at cyclicalchurches.com/resources.

    51 min
  • #2: Matthew Brough: Forming a Church Identity Without Building
    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Matt Brough. Matt Brough is the director of CyclcialPCC, a denomination-wide Church planting initiative of the Presbyterian Church in Canada. He also serves part time as the minister of Prairie Presbyterian Church in Winnipeg, Manitoba, hosts a podcast called Spirituality for Ordinary People, and is an independent author and publisher. His books include Let God Be God: Give Control to the Only One Who Can Set You Free, Let God Be Present: Uncovering the Will, Courage, and Persistence to Truly Connect, and a fantasy-adventure series of novels for young readers (Book 1: Del Ryder and the Crystal Seed)
    . Here are some quotes from the interview: "We think of these institutional bodies as impersonal, but they are actually the church discerning God's presence"
    "What I was doing was forming a core team but I didn't know it."
    "I would spend a lot longer in planning, discernment, and prayer..."
    "I look back and I think, What was God up to? Because our identity as a congregation got a lot stronger than if we had built."
    "In church planting, it always feels like the next thing is really important. I would encourage people to take their time, to have a long view. Take your time in discernment and starting steps."
    Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including Developing a COVID-19 eBook, which you can download for free along with other resources at cyclicalchurches.com/resources.
    50 min
  • #1: Terrell McTyer: Knowing Yourself Before Starting
    In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Terrell McTyer. Pastor Terrell L McTyer serves as the Minister of New Church Strategies for the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States and Canada. He is the founding pastor of Manifestation Christian Center (Kansas City, MO) which was an innovative, cause-driven gathering of young people steeped in unique tactics for discipleship, social enterprise and leadership development. Today, Terrell works to teach, equip, assist and multiply leaders through the New Church Ministry with an aim to increase missional efficacy and efficiency towards starting sustainable, world-changing churches. 
    Here are some quotes from the interview: 
    "I never had aspirations of being a mega church. For me the goal was never standing in front of 1,000 people preaching. When we opened the church, we had a no-sermon policy.""
    ""What we do is we have vision, and we go out and find people to support that vision. That's the wrong approach. Whoever you have with you right now is who God has with you for a purpose. So we have to figure out what are the gifts and the strengths of the team that you have right now and what can come out of that?""
    ""I 100% believed and 100% didn't believe at the same time. All the time I was doing it with faith, I still had self doubt and self deceit.""
    ""Whatever you choose is the right answer. It's gonna be okay. The only thing that's not okay is to do nothing on earth. Do something that contributes to the economy of the kingdom.""
    ""You're going to make mistakes. But if you don't know yourself, there will be human casualties to those mistakes.""
    ""You cannot do this by yourself."
    Please review this episode, subscribe to this podcast and share it with a friend! Make sure to visit our website, cyclicalchurches.com. There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including the Developing a COVID-19 eBook.  You can download this and other resources for free at cyclicalchurches.com/resources.
    48 min
  • Season Pilot
    Brendan McClenahan and Nick Warnes introduce the podcast. They discuss the one common challenge church starters and discerners face, why Cyclical is creating a podcast, and what you can expect from the upcoming interviews.
    12 min

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