In this episode, Dan Esty, a professor of environmental law and policy at Yale, makes the case that we need to move away from the traditional, top-down regulations of the 20th century and toward a system of incentives that promote innovation and problem solving. In this conversation, he is joined by Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a professor of management at the Yale School of Management, who discusses how creativity and innovation can be unleashed — including in the business sector – and how businesses have become leaders in sustainability.