Dan Rubinstein, the esteemed design journalist and author renowned for his insightful exploration of design's impact on our everyday lives, discusses his journey through the world of architecture and interior design. Tune in for an engaging conversation filled with Dan's stories and unique perspective on balancing function with aesthetics when crafting harmonious living spaces.

Ideas of Order, the California Closets podcast, is produced by Rob Schulte at SANDOW DESIGN GROUP and is part of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com.

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